[DEV1064] Tachi: Shoha

[Finuve]

You are assuming everyone that spam Shoha has Masamune



And what part you don't understand of "2.3k~2.4 when 2 hits landed" and "with just cruor buff" ?
Did I say 2 hits landed is ALL I had in 2 hours session? Did I say it was AVERAGE?

so why did ur damage suck so bad? I was hitting 4k average 2hits with 1 STR atma, that 1 STR atma doesnt make 1600 damage

[Quetzacoatl]

Shoha, does not need nerfing, Fudo and Kaiten still out damage it in almost every situation except in where it's a mob with high defense. Myself, and other fellow Amanomurakumo & Masamune Samurai can attest to this. Abyssea and Atma shouldn't be factored into this.

The fact that it even has the potential should call for it...because I don't see how 3.4K outside of abyssea is overpowered when Ukko's is now going to be shot down to, what, a max of 3K? No siree, I don't see how that's overpowered. No Siree. <_<

You are assuming everyone that spam Shoha has Masamune

You should get one for your SAM regardless, if you're serious about your job.

[Dezaar]

Yeah, uh, we need you to nerf this too, and um...we would like you to have it done before the Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite nerfs go live on the game servers. That'll be greeaat.

I had 300tp ~ 2HWS DMG Atma and I hit this number once out of 50 WS's. Average was more like 3k tbh. Musta Triple attacked as I had A&O atma on two, along with VV>

[Toren]

my Shoha's roughly average between 1.8k~2.3k outside of abyssea, inside using VV, GC, A & O my rough average is 3k~3.4k with some of the best WS gear available to samurai anything that's above that is usually a DA or a TA.

Edit: My 85 verethragna black belt monk still walks all over my 90 masamune samurai with capped haste gear, and I don't see this changing anytime soon unless V smites nerf is massive.

[Hextitan]

If we're gonna post WS shots with no context to them, Resolution needs to be nerfed too:

[Taint2]

Yeah, uh, we need you to nerf this too, and um...we would like you to have it done before the Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite nerfs go live on the game servers. That'll be greeaat.

lolabyssea

Ukko Damage war during VW....

[Theytak]

1. You don't have Shoha
2. You don't understand the underlying math behind it
3. You don't have Shoha

My highest without any STR atma only gives me 5.4k damage 1-2 times in 2 hours session when finishing trial of TP bonus GKT on wivre. 5.4k damage is that is I need triple attack proc on both hits and land.
For my case, in order to get 7k damage damage is only possible with 2 STR atma, triple attack proc AND land on all hits with nearly 300 TP worth.

You are saying like this happens every single time we unleash the WS at 100% TP. No. With just cruor buff you expect Shoha only dealing 2.3k-2.4k with 2 hits landed. Outside is about 2.1k, which is actually very close to Fudo damage where attack is capped on target mob.

What next you'll complain? Someone posting non brew 10k damage last stand on piercing weak mob and you will call a nerf? Get some grip.

Honestly, VZX, it feels kind of weird to disagree with you on numbers, but still;

Between the significant amount of STR gear available to sams, the moderately strong fTP relative to the other new ws, the fact that whoring out str gear increases the likelihood of capping fSTR even on stronger mobs, or getting fairly close on super tough ones, and the significant attack bonus shoha has allowing it to reach the pDIF cap much more easily than most ws; how can you not see how overpowered this ws is?

[Genostar]

You are assuming everyone that spam Shoha has Masamune



And what part you don't understand of "2.3k~2.4 when 2 hits landed" and "with just cruor buff" ?
Did I say 2 hits landed is ALL I had in 2 hours session? Did I say it was AVERAGE?

Not only this, and not only has VZX provided countless hours of research and information into weapon skills and how damage is actually calculated, but stating this:


"YOUR STR IS AUTO-CAPPED BY THE TIME YOU PUT ON CRUOR BUFFS"

You've automatically proven yourself incapable of understanding the WS dmg formula. I wonder what Shoha's mod is.

Oh wait, it's STR. Upwards of nearly 100%.

Crap, what's that damage formula again... directly from ffxiclopedia:

Damage = ( D + fSTR + WSC) * fTP * PDIF

Where
D: Base damage of your weapon (e.g., Espadon = 43)
fSTR: function of difference between your STR and target's VIT
WSC: Secondary attribute like STR 30% (30% of your STR) * alpha
fTP : TP Multiplier (See individual Weapon Skill)
PDIF: function of (your Physical ATK/target’s Physical DEF)
WSC = integer(any secondary attributes) * @ (which is .85 at 99? I forgot already)

so let's take a 110 dmg gkt for the hell of it. weapon rank is 12. (110/9 = 12 + remainder 2)

fSTR caps at 20 in this case (weapon rank+8). so (str-vit+4)/4 = 20, (str-vit+4)=80, str-vit = 76. you need a difference of 76 str vs the mob's vit to cap fSTR in the first place. Cruor buffs don't always cap you anyway, but that's still not my point.

so where were we?

(110 + 20 + WSC) * fTP * PDIF

And this is where the point of this whole exercise is. WSC. What's WSC? A flat bonus from certain attributes for every weapon skill. And guess what?

It doesn't cap.

So not only is he getting an extra almost 40 ATK for all that STR on an atma in the first place (remember that patch a long time ago in a land far away for 2hd weapon jobs? oh yeah), he's also getting an extra 40 STR that's used as a secondary mod for a almost 100% STR ws.

Going through the rest of this exercise is pointless; if you don't see it and you don't understand it, have fun continuing to be terrible at this game. I need to get back to my job.

[Quetzacoatl]

If we're gonna post WS shots with no context to them, Resolution needs to be nerfed too:

Resolution can't be used 30% more frequently.

That number is huge, though! Let me guess, WAR with Mighty Strikes up

[Finuve]

also, I dont really care if shoha gets nerfed or not, its definitely powerful, and I keep calling it OP, but its just powerful

other WSs just badly need buffed, to list AGAIN

Quietus, Cloudsplitter, Camlann's Torment, Realmrazer, Entropy, Ruinator, Requiescat, and probably quite a few relic WSs, Metsu for sure to start that list