[DEV1064] Tachi: Shoha

[Quetzacoatl]

Yeah, uh, we need you to nerf this too, and um...we would like you to have it done before the Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite nerfs go live on the game servers. That'll be greeaat.

[Finuve]

the worst part is how common numbers like that are with that WS

[Quetzacoatl]

the worst part is how common numbers like that are with that WS

Tell me about it. The game is going back to 2003-2006 again already.

Okay, SE, we get it: you LOVE overpowering SAM. But why? Why can't this weapon skill be nerfed already, because the ridiculously overpowered damage it does? AND, you know the potential of SAM's ability to skillchain repeatedly and do more retardedly strong damage with these weapon skills! The Attack Bonus has to be lowered to a level everyone else that doesn't have SAM leveled can compete with. We demand you to have this done as soon as possible before you lose more of your loyal and paying customers.

I'm not saying this as a DRK, but saying it to show that even THIS...



Is just flat-out unfair to every other damage dealer, ESPECIALLY WAR and MNK. Hell, I kind of enjoyed competing with my fellow Ukonvasara WARs and Verethragna MNKs...SAM can do this TWICE in a row and get a skillchain on top of it. I can't compete with Shoha. It's that stupid. :|

[VZX]

SAM can do this TWICE in a row and get a skillchain on top of it. I can't compete with Shoha. It's that stupid. :|

1. Everyone reading this needs to post screenshots of the damage from Shoha as high as the numbers posted in the original post. Minimum Damage 5K to a Maximum of 8K (if that's even possible)

1. You don't have Shoha
2. You don't understand the underlying math behind it
3. You don't have Shoha

My highest without any STR atma only gives me 5.4k damage 1-2 times in 2 hours session when finishing trial of TP bonus GKT on wivre. 5.4k damage is that is I need triple attack proc on both hits and land.
For my case, in order to get 7k damage damage is only possible with 2 STR atma, triple attack proc AND land on all hits with nearly 300 TP worth.

You are saying like this happens every single time we unleash the WS at 100% TP. No. With just cruor buff you expect Shoha only dealing 2.3k-2.4k with 2 hits landed. Outside is about 2.1k, which is actually very close to Fudo damage where attack is capped on target mob.

What next you'll complain? Someone posting non brew 10k damage last stand on piercing weak mob and you will call a nerf? Get some grip.

[Finuve]

1. You don't have Shoha
2. You don't have Shoha
3. You don't have Shoha

My highest without any STR atma only gives me 5.4k damage 1-2 times in 2 hours session when finishing trial of TP bonus GKT on wivre. 5.4k damage is that is I need triple attack proc on both hits and land.
For my case, in order to get 7k damage damage is only possible with 2 STR atma, triple attack proc AND land on all hits with nearly 300 TP worth.

You are saying like this happens every single time we unleash the WS at 100% TP. No. With just cruor buff you expect Shoha only dealing 2.3k-2.4k with 2 hits landed. Outside is about 2.1k, which is actually very close to Fudo damage where attack is capped on target mob.

What next you'll complain? Someone posting non brew 10k damage last stand on piercing weak mob and you will call a nerf? Get some grip.

I average 4k and my SAM sucks, WTF are you doing wrong

VV RR and Apoc BTW

[VZX]

I average 4k and my SAM sucks, WTF are you doing wrong

VV RR and Apoc BTW

Which parts of "2.3k~2.4k with 2 hits landed" and "with just cruor buff" you don't understand?
Which part of "My highest without any STR atma only gives me 5.4k damage" you don't understand?

[Quetzacoatl]

2 STR atma, triple attack proc

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT USING RAZED RUINS

YOUR STR IS AUTO-CAPPED BY THE TIME YOU PUT ON CRUOR BUFFS

Don't you talk to me about complaining when you're doing it wrong.

[VZX]

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT USING RAZED RUINS

YOUR STR IS AUTO-CAPPED BY THE TIME YOU PUT ON CRUOR BUFFS

Don't you fucking underestimate me again.

And why on earth IT WAS ME? I was making a case for the 7k shoha screenshot.
And I don't advocate using RR when spamming this WS in Abyssea anyway.

And what the hell is "Your str is auto-capped" ? Please educate yourself with game mechanics further.

[Cream_Soda]

WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU NOT USING RAZED RUINS

YOUR STR IS AUTO-CAPPED BY THE TIME YOU PUT ON CRUOR BUFFS

Don't you talk to me about complaining when you're doing it wrong.

I see no point in using razed ruins, tbh, not on Shoha sam anyways. There's no ODD and you're only doing 4 swings between ws. Razed ruins does nothing on Shoha. I'd rather buff the major portion of my damage (I.E. The ws) than those pathetic 4 melee swings in between.

[Theytak]

1. You don't have Shoha
2. You don't understand the underlying math behind it
3. You don't have Shoha

My highest without any STR atma only gives me 5.4k damage 1-2 times in 2 hours session when finishing trial of TP bonus GKT on wivre. 5.4k damage is that is I need triple attack proc on both hits and land.
For my case, in order to get 7k damage damage is only possible with 2 STR atma, triple attack proc AND land on all hits with nearly 300 TP worth.

You are saying like this happens every single time we unleash the WS at 100% TP. No. With just cruor buff you expect Shoha only dealing 2.3k-2.4k with 2 hits landed. Outside is about 2.1k, which is actually very close to Fudo damage where attack is capped on target mob.

What next you'll complain? Someone posting non brew 10k damage last stand on piercing weak mob and you will call a nerf? Get some grip.

Honestly, VZX, it feels kind of weird to disagree with you on numbers, but still;

Between the significant amount of STR gear available to sams, the moderately strong fTP relative to the other new ws, the fact that whoring out str gear increases the likelihood of capping fSTR even on stronger mobs, or getting fairly close on super tough ones, and the significant attack bonus shoha has allowing it to reach the pDIF cap much more easily than most ws; how can you not see how overpowered this ws is?