[DEV1064] Tachi: Shoha

[hiko]

Because we're talking what's broken and what's not, not what you can do inside Abyssea.

Moten's already run the math, Stalwarts + Zerk + food = better StarDiver on nearly all VWNM's. Chaos just makes it even better. Only aftermath that actually matters for SAM is the one from Mythic, the rest are overshadowed by WS spam.

Of course if you don't have the temp item KI's for stalwart / bravers / monarchs then we can understand.

what weapon did he used in his math because sam got no new polearm since lvl 87 ?

[Motenten]

what weapon did he used in his math because sam got no new polearm since lvl 87 ?

I used Draca Couse for comparing Stardiver with Shoha on sam. I think Shoha was using TP bonus GK, don't recall offhand (and it would have been the lvl 95 weapon when I did the comparison, I believe). Worked out that for cRatio of ~1.625 of higher, Stardiver was better; below 1.625 cRatio, Shoha was better. Capped cRatio on up to T3 VWNMs would be ~1.75 (they're around level 110). T6 VWNMs would have capped cRatio of ~1.25 (they're around level 120).

I can poke at it again at some point to see what it looks like now. There are other factors that probably need better consideration as well. Will get around to it later.

[Fupafighter]

Then why dont they just go on dragoon and spam stardiver. Why play sam if your going to use a damn polearm?...

[Motenten]

Because sam's Stardivers are stronger than drg's Stardivers, despite lower skill and weaker weapons. Overwhelm FTW. Oh, and ability to 4-hit a 480 delay polearm, while drg is stuck at a 6-hit (or 5-hit for the OAT).

[saevel]

SAM has been using Polearm since 2004. I know because I used to do penta-spam back before the first WS TP nerf.

Also SAM doesn't have to choose between 10% hasso haste and 15 sTP of /SAM vs Berserk and DA from /WAR, it gets them both. SAM's native Store TP, gear and overwhelm makes it into the perfect DD to spam WS's. If someone has unlocked 5/5 SD and has a Draca Couse, then there is no reason for them not to spam SD.

[Fupafighter]

Think you are missing the point lol. Your situations where your saying stardiver beats drg stardiver are false. Drg in VW will have rolls too...so they SHOULD be /war where 5-6 hit doesn't matter. And either will the extra 5% haste from hasso lol. And why would a person want to go on samurai and make a 90 masamune or amano just to use stardiver? lol.....

[saevel]

Umm ... you know Moten actually worked this all out. But you've got a record on here of ignoring the math and just claiming whatever you want.

[SpankWustler]

And why would a person want to go on samurai and make a 90 masamune or amano just to use stardiver?

Something not making sense, or being oddly disappointing, does not mean it is not true. Welcome to Final Fantasy XI.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Ageha > switch to draca couse obviously.

[Fupafighter]

Just don't see the purpose of leveling samurai to use a polearm lol. Idc if stardiver can do 2k damage more in the longrun than this or that. If you use sam to use stardiver, go play dragoon lol