Victory smite nerf [dev1064]

[Dfoley]

I think the real question is why is PUP relavant again?

Haters gonna hate... just saying, if you count our pets we pretty much destroy monk DD, but thats a topic for another troll thread

[Greatguardian]

It's not.

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[Zhronne]

Don't have one myself, but doesn't seem too bad to keep lv3 mythic AM active with a high uptime in the era of Tactical Roll, Miser's Roll, temp items etc.
I just think they get underestimated more often than not.

[Greatguardian]

Some people must really never play with Bards or something. Good lord.

[Motenten]

Per my pup spreadsheet calculations, using Bukhis target outside Abyssea, and using 15% base crit rate for Smite and 10% for Pummel, I have Smite at 1627 and Pummel at 1610 for a Taru (140 total str). For Elvaan (151 total str), 1699 for Smite, 1677 for Pummel. Overall, Smite has barely more than a 1% lead over Pummel. I don't see how you're ending up with numbers indicating a ~20% lead.

Regardless, Smite always felt rather weak when directly compared against Ukko's ludicrously high crit rates. At least we know that there's not a lot of room for them to nerf Smite (it's only ~5% above the general baseline for crit-based weaponskills), as compared to Ukko's. Dropping 5% crit rate from the above puts Taru at 1583 and Elvaan at 1654, putting Pummel about 1.5% ahead of Smite.

[Dfoley]

Per my pup spreadsheet calculations, using Bukhis target outside Abyssea, and using 15% base crit rate for Smite and 10% for Pummel, I have Smite at 1627 and Pummel at 1610 for a Taru (140 total str). For Elvaan (151 total str), 1699 for Smite, 1677 for Pummel. Overall, Smite has barely more than a 1% lead over Pummel. I don't see how you're ending up with numbers indicating a ~20% lead.

Regardless, Smite always felt rather weak when directly compared against Ukko's ludicrously high crit rates. At least we know that there's not a lot of room for them to nerf Smite (it's only ~5% above the general baseline for crit-based weaponskills), as compared to Ukko's. Dropping 5% crit rate from the above puts Taru at 1583 and Elvaan at 1654, putting Pummel about 1.5% ahead of Smite.

Ah a voice of sanity that actually makes sense.

[MarkovChain]

Ah a voice of sanity that actually makes sense.

Noticed how he confirmed how VS is currently superior to SP in pure damage ?

The good news is that now that they added a million things for people to upgrade in dynamis, Getting Spharai will probably be a lot easier now.

Only if you plan to buy everything. If you plan to farm everything (which is realistic is a few weeks with a BST on your main and a mule) then nope. Except maybe the forgotten item that seem to drops 6x less than coins. If the demands stays steady you caould use them to buy a part of your coins, however it still implie that you farm dynamis. Their prices is stable at 100k-150k I think it will stay at 100k because they are pretty rare and most people farming them keep them for their own use, as people seem to prefer farming EP for coins.

[FrankReynolds]

Noticed how he confirmed how VS is currently superior to SP in pure damage ?



Only if you plan to buy everything. If you plan to farm everything (which is realistic is a few weeks with a BST on your main and a mule) then nope. Except maybe the forgotten item that seem to drops 6x less than coins. If the demands stays steady you caould use them to buy a part of your coins, however it still implie that you farm dynamis. Their prices is stable at 100k-150k I think it will stay at 100k because they are pretty rare and most people farming them keep them for their own use, as people seem to prefer farming EP for coins.

I was thinking more along the lines of being able to get big pick up groups that will come just for the forgotten items, and xp, and let you keep the currency. People need 20,000 xp with that gear on once they get it, so every zone is gonna be full of people eventually.

There are a lot of people who haven't touched dynamis since abyssea came out, who don't care about relic weapons, but will be wanting their relic gear upgrades just like before.

[Rofues]

there's a name for that nerf, its called BS

[MarkovChain]

@ Motenten. Yeah I counted an extra hit for vere so in the end victory is only slightly superior, it doesn't change that it's a PUP nerf because verethragna should remain their best weapon due to ODD/STR+17~20. Baring Maybe mythic, but anyone sane wouldn't consider it for this discussion. At least until we see what they do with nyzul revamp. Without going further into the math 30% ODD on main is roughly 15% increase to melee dot. I'm guessing PUP is the same as monk and melee takes priority (65% // 35% melee-ws split) so it's actually ~10% increase. You'd need to drop a lot more than 10% from VS to make vere+SP on par. The base crit might now be enough so in the end it's a pup nerf.