Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Brigandier]

This thread should really have all the junk removed from it, and be stickied!
(ok so Im just bumping the thread)

I gave your post a "Like!", because the information here really should be shown in a cleaned up form, but at the same time I wonder if it's a good thing for new players to see a gimp get thrashed, maybe splitting it off into a topic called "What other players think of you putting them out!" would be appropriate.

I read about the first 15 pages or so, and a lot of people made the argument that not gearing haste/swapping gear lowers your damage output and makes you gimp, but I never really seen anyone point out the aspect of respect to other players. FFXI is a game heavily geared towards cooperation. Your performance can greatly affect battle outcomes which in turn affects the other people you are playing with. Everyone should strive for the best performance possible out of respect for the people that end up playing with them.

Also: Being an elitist is FUN. I feel sorry for those players who gear bad and just brush it off with the "w/e it's their opinion I'll play like I want" excuse. Making your character push the limit and having friendly competition with other elitists is one of the most rewarding aspects of this game, don't pass it up.

Whoops: Just realized I necro'd this thread. Oh well, more people need to know about haste.

[Soundwave]

Thank you for this post, I've played Mage jobs from the start of this game and just about a year ago I've leveled a few melee jobs, and your post made it very clear.

Thanks

[wish12oz]

Your performance can greatly affect battle outcomes which in turn affects the other people you are playing with. Everyone should strive for the best performance possible out of respect for the people that end up playing with them.

Such a good statement right here.

[Volkai]

OP: great post. It's nice to see people running the numbers so that others can learn why certain stats are so valuable.

Also: Being an elitist is FUN. I feel sorry for those players who gear bad and just brush it off with the "w/e it's their opinion I'll play like I want" excuse. Making your character push the limit and having friendly competition with other elitists is one of the most rewarding aspects of this game, don't pass it up.

Unfortunately, gear elitists tend to come off in a poor light - you might say you feel sorry for them, but more often than not a new or average player's experience with a gear elitist is being denigrated for their less-than-optimal gear.

Gear elitists, in my experience, don't care where you're coming from -- if your gear is not the best possible (which at this point in time generally means a full set of Emp +2 armor and a lv.90 Emp weapon unless you're using Twilight gear) then you will be treated as someone who does not deserve to be breathing air, much less playing FFXI, and that gear elitist is likely to instruct you to either die in a fire or take a short walk off of a tall building.

This often leads to the impression that anyone with good gear is likely to have a similarly poor attitude, and the desire to avoid also having such a bad attitude may lead some players to intentionally pursue 'lesser' gear.



It doesn't help that such gear elitists may ignore such factors as that a person has just gotten their first job to 90 and therefore has not yet had the opportunity to acquire the gear an elitist might expect.

[Jar]

OP: great post. It's nice to see people running the numbers so that others can learn why certain stats are so valuable.



Unfortunately, gear elitists tend to come off in a poor light - you might say you feel sorry for them, but more often than not a new or average player's experience with a gear elitist is being denigrated for their less-than-optimal gear.

Gear elitists, in my experience, don't care where you're coming from -- if your gear is not the best possible (which at this point in time generally means a full set of Emp +2 armor and a lv.90 Emp weapon unless you're using Twilight gear) then you will be treated as someone who does not deserve to be breathing air, much less playing FFXI, and that gear elitist is likely to instruct you to either die in a fire or take a short walk off of a tall building.

This often leads to the impression that anyone with good gear is likely to have a similarly poor attitude, and the desire to avoid also having such a bad attitude may lead some players to intentionally pursue 'lesser' gear.



It doesn't help that such gear elitists may ignore such factors as that a person has just gotten their first job to 90 and therefore has not yet had the opportunity to acquire the gear an elitist might expect.

Or we hate noobs that from /c them you know are not going to be gearing right ever because there are obvious better ways to use all the gear they have and or better gear on the AH for like 5K..

I can burn a DD to 90 in 2 days and in another 2 days skills are all caped and gear is good enough to deal damage(no af+1/2) i prob with the noobs on this game are the noobs that cant do any damage on DD jobs because abyssea made DD so hard. srsly no excuse to go to an abyssea party and ws for 1-300..

[Volkai]

Or we hate noobs that from /c them you know are not going to be gearing right ever because there are obvious better ways to use all the gear they have and or better gear on the AH for like 5K..

I can burn a DD to 90 in 2 days and in another 2 days skills are all caped and gear is good enough to deal damage(no af+1/2) i prob with the noobs on this game are the noobs that cant do any damage on DD jobs because abyssea made DD so hard. srsly no excuse to go to an abyssea party and ws for 1-300..

I wonder, though, if you are able to differentiate between a noob and a newb?

[Jar]

I wonder, though, if you are able to differentiate between a noob and a newb?

only on Tuesdays

[CrystalWeapon]

OP: great post. It's nice to see people running the numbers so that others can learn why certain stats are so valuable.

Unfortunately, gear elitists tend to come off in a poor light - you might say you feel sorry for them, but more often than not a new or average player's experience with a gear elitist is being denigrated for their less-than-optimal gear.

Gear elitists, in my experience, don't care where you're coming from -- if your gear is not the best possible (which at this point in time generally means a full set of Emp +2 armor and a lv.90 Emp weapon unless you're using Twilight gear) then you will be treated as someone who does not deserve to be breathing air, much less playing FFXI, and that gear elitist is likely to instruct you to either die in a fire or take a short walk off of a tall building.

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This thread should be sticked. It is very informative and is done in a very friendly manner. I agree with you that most (elitists) are regarded with the stigma of being very rude and condescending. If more took the time to explain common misconceptions about game mechanics in a straightforward non-insulting way, these forums would be alot more enjoyable. You always run into the classic (noob) that will insult you and rant about playing their own way, but that's an inevitability. When the data is presented like this with clear citations and test results listed, you do reach the ears of the uninformed/misinformed. When you talk about horribly geared players to their face about how badly they fail in a rude manner, you sometimes cause those players to continue to play bad out of a defense mechanism.

tl;dr: Would be nice to see more of this over (troll) / (omg se how could you do this) / (demand) / (outright idiotic) threads.

[Reiterpallasch]

Using perle gear isn't stupid, even if it isn't optimal, so I have no real problems with people using that. Unless of course you have something better. Oh yeah, and if you're also mixing and matching your perle gear with other pieces, breaking the set bonus and ending up with a lower total haste than full perle. Saw that a few days ago, it made me sad.

Totally agree. It's a shame how many people will fight and argue with you if you even so much try to help with a bit of advice. Suggesting that 5/5 perle is better than 4/5 and ohat will likely just end up with the "ur teh elitist herp derp" talk, or "haste doesn't matter when it just makes me miss faster!" crap that people spread around.

This thread should be sticked.

Yes please!