Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[rog]

Being good at the game makes you a no-lifer with no social skills (especially with the opposite sex) and means you care too much about FFXI, live in a basement and have FFXI as your sole hobby.

Sounds good to me.

Actually that described me perfectly when i played. And only the last part doesn't still apply. All right!

[Greatguardian]

So, in a nut shell... How do I factor in haste when compared to other stats?

If you want a simple answer for level 90, capped skills, point for point Haste will typically win out over most other stats while TP'ing. Unfortunately, you'd have to be more specific to get a better answer than that. Are there any particular sets of gear or any gear slots within a set that you want help with? Specifics are much easier to work with than trying to make abstract rules.

[Avidon]

If you want a simple answer for level 90, capped skills, point for point Haste will typically win out over most other stats while TP'ing. Unfortunately, you'd have to be more specific to get a better answer than that. Are there any particular sets of gear or any gear slots within a set that you want help with? Specifics are much easier to work with than trying to make abstract rules.

I like simplicity. So I mean overall generally. I can build off a simple answer. and you answered it enough for me GG. Thank you.
And I'm not really the Gear swapping type. I did that with my thf on another character, and over the years I just gave up on trying as hard as I did. I like my new way of playing better, that being of simplicity.

[RAIST]

So, in a nut shell... How do I factor in haste when compared to other stats?

As stated towards the end of the OP, you need to strike a balance. Loading up on a butt-load of haste won't mean much if you are whiffing a lot. Guess that's why you still see some Aurore and Perle pieces in use--people trying to keep a bit of the ACC factored into the mix, but swapping in some other pieces for the haste. MNK may be a good one to look at...some of the AF3 pieces replace (or increase the haste) from Aurore in the same slots, but also increase Kick Attack rates for free damage. While you loose the StoreTP+8, you are gaining the extra attacks to compensate and balance the DoT, possible increasing it. Would like to see some parsed data between them.

Can't wait to finish my Tantra and Iga sets and hopefully ditch pinks for good.

Raist

[Kuishen]

After re-reading some of Nature's post I realized that she thinks you lose all your tp when you die. Interesting.

[Greatguardian]

As stated towards the end of the OP, you need to strike a balance. Loading up on a butt-load of haste won't mean much if you are whiffing a lot. Guess that's why you still see some Aurore and Perle pieces in use--people trying to keep a bit of the ACC factored into the mix, but swapping in some other pieces for the haste. MNK may be a good one to look at...some of the AF3 pieces replace (or increase the haste) from Aurore in the same slots, but also increase Kick Attack rates for free damage. While you loose the StoreTP+8, you are gaining the extra attacks to compensate and balance the DoT, possible increasing it. Would like to see some parsed data between them.

Can't wait to finish my Tantra and Iga sets and hopefully ditch pinks for good.

Raist

Eh, technically true. However, at level 90 factoring in 360+ skills, atmas/cruor buffs (inside abyssea), and level correction (outside abyssea, and in Visions/some Scars), Accuracy is fairly easy to cap without devoting gear to it. In the rare cases where accuracy is not capped, switching from Curry/Steak to Pizza should be more than sufficient. If it's between Accuracy and Haste, Haste is a clear winner in the vast majority of situations.

Attack is more of a concern these days. Most people are not capped on Attack for most things, so there is a tangible benefit to Attack+ in gear. However, you would need extremely low Attack in order for it to stand up to Haste in the same slot.

If you want a simple, 1 rule to rule them all type thing, gear for your X-hit, then Haste, TA, DA, Attack, and then Str/Acc in that order (I'm assuming fStr is capped in Abyssea, and that there is Str on other good pieces anyways). From there, let your food make up anything you're missing. Bison Steak is an extremely cheap, long lasting, potent Attack food and I highly recommend it. If you find yourself having accuracy issues for whatever reason, Marinara Pizza +1 should fill that gap. It's incredibly unlikely that anything these days will warrant sushi.

[Relyk]

It's funny how many posts are simply bandwagoning off both sides of a one sided argument. Also perhaps some people should use this time off to increase their vocabulary a bit? There must have been like 20 posts calling people "bad" players which is both undescriptive and really just floors the level of the conversation. Inefficient, underperforming, casual may have described the situation better although I am in no way supporting either side with this statement.

That being said this game has gone through so many changes over the years and with each of them come new standards. Its really not too terribly difficult to make a macro or two(dozen) to swap out some easily obtainable gear.

I'm surprised that in 33 pages of garbage no one mentioned that you can swap some gear without blinking which would at least be a slight step in the right direction thus solving the problem(If there ever was one with stal macros)
Waist neck back rings earrings, change em for WS and evasion or whatever floats your boat, you won't blink so even the laziest of white Mages can find you to heal you while scrolling through there hundred spells.

Maybe it just takes an appreciation of how far this game has come. I remember when I TPed in a hauby and full thick gear. Back then it was more than acceptable. Before the two handed update or even back when the /disengage trick still worked (lol anyone remember that?) but times change and so do the standards by which we measure ourselves.

The underlying math is what doesn't change which is what keeps me playing this game. To see the marginal effects of my decisions in both gearing and playing makes me hawt.

Part of me misses the colibri when the dats was plentiful, standards workable and marginal increases were the world. I would like to see an FF where dDex fStr and accuracy play a role again. Haste is an easy decision, has been for a long time and always will be.

[RAIST]

@ Greatguardian

yeah...I probly need to redo my sets for aby one day. I was thinking more along the lines of the older content. I spent so much time leveling up old school to around 65 or so before going into abyssea (didnd't want to just squat and leech in there.. wanted to stand a chance at actually hitting crap while in there), all my macros are still swapping in gears to exploit mods for WS and stuff. I need to get some quality time in abyssea to play around and make a new bank of macros for better accessories just for abyssea I guess.

but.. meh...wonder if it would really make much of a difference in there with all the atmas now. It's nothing to give your self +100 STR/DEX and a flat bump to both ACC and ATT with atma in there. Maybe a keen and assailants ring with mermans/coral earrings just to give the ATT a nice shot in the arm. Think I still have a tiger stole floating around too. With 91+ cooking, I always have an assortment of foods on me so I haven't really been arsed to mess with my accessories. Maybe one day I'll get around to tweaking it--so long as no one fusses about my WS damage in aby, probly won't worry about that too much for now.

Raist

[Greatguardian]

@ Greatguardian

yeah...I probly need to redo my sets for aby one day. I was thinking more along the lines of the older content. I spent so much time leveling up old school to around 65 or so before going into abyssea (didnd't want to just squat and leech in there.. wanted to stand a chance at actually hitting crap while in there), all my macros are still swapping in gears to exploit mods for WS and stuff. I need to get some quality time in abyssea to play around and make a new bank of macros for better accessories just for abyssea I guess.

but.. meh...wonder if it would really make much of a difference in there with all the atmas now. It's nothing to give your self +100 STR/DEX and a flat bump to both ACC and ATT with atma in there. Maybe a keen and assailants ring with mermans/coral earrings just to give the ATT a nice shot in the arm. Think I still have a tiger stole floating around too. With 91+ cooking, I always have an assortment of foods on me so I haven't really been arsed to mess with my accessories. Maybe one day I'll get around to tweaking it--so long as no one fusses about my WS damage in aby, probly won't worry about that too much for now.

Raist

Rajas ring is still king, so that helps a lot. For a secondary ring, I'd recommend Epona's if you can use it, Hoard if you can't. When you're sitting on that much Str/Dex, it doesn't really hurt that much in the TP phase and extra Store TP may either drop a hit (1-handers) or alleviate the STP burden in other slots (2-hander). Brutal Earring is also pretty boss if you own one. Since it sounds like you don't, I'd stomp through CoP whenever you get the chance. The lack of level caps on the fights now make them practically soloable up to Airship/Tenzen (which may themselves be soloable with difficulty), and even those are definitely duoable. Agasaya's collar is also a pretty nice neckpiece where Tiercel Necklace is not needed to hit the haste cap, I'd just recommend bringing TH and possibly Blue proc'ing the VNM.

The nice thing about WSC (WS damage mods) is that it doesn't cap, so even if you have +100 Str you can still use 5 more Str on your WS; as such there's probably nothing wrong with your WS sets if you're gearing for the WS mods. If anything, the fact that dDex (that is, Delta Dex, or the difference between your Dex and Target Agi) is often capped in Abyssea with Razed Ruins and Cruor buffs allows you to drop DEX from critical hit weaponskills that don't have a DEX mod; as extra DEX will not increase your critical hit rate once dDex is capped. fStr (a function of your Str versus the Target's Vit) is often capped inside Abyssea as well, so you're pretty safe gearing solely for AGI for Blade: Hi and things like that. Whatever has the biggest mod wins.

[RAIST]

Yeah.. I had pretty much dropped gearing for the DEX a while back. Figured I'd focus on the fSTR aspect more. I'm still trying to digest all the data on it. More often then not.. I just go find targets with a tight level range and just thwack away till I find a balance I like. And I went and got the mage ring as I was doing so much with mages at the time I finished...then fell back in love with SAM/NIN/MNK/DRG/DRK again in abyssea...meh. Wish we could go back and get all the rings and not have to choose just one.

I started going after some sea stuff... but just got frustrated trying to farm and such. Managed to get two obis and about halfway to two gorgets, then got the aby fever. Now that's all the LS wants to do. Hopefully we'll get back to Limbus once we get more AF3 knocked out. I want a Brutal and Boxers... but only have (embarrased to say it) 9 ABC's farmed... lol. But, I have decent stuff for straight ACC/ATT tweaking, and lots of STR to chunk in there. Somehow managed to cobble some decent stuff together. Inventory space was tight for a while too, but I just got my last of 10 jobs past 86 last week. Once I pawn off all that vanila gear I was using I can start going after the better goods. Hope the AH merger happens soon. Got a lot of gear to sell and I could use a recovering market to pawn it all.

So much to do... so little time.

Raist