Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Naturebeckles]

/sigh... Lets see how many times I can repost this..



Your first response of the thread, directly insulting someones play style for using haste....

Need I say more?

Uh no no no no no. I was NOT insulting ANYBODY for using haste. I saw the whole discussion about the all the specifics of the math of how haste works as kind of pointless. I'm not saying Frost's guide was pointless. But there were pages of people agreeing/disagreeing about how that math worked. I never said haste was bad or criticized anyone for using haste gear. Not once will you see me say any of that. It's taking everything I have right now to not insult you over your reading skills.

[Vivik]

Uh no no no no no. I was NOT insulting ANYBODY for using haste. I saw the whole discussion about the all the specifics of the math of how haste works as kind of pointless. I'm not saying Frost's guide was pointless. But there were pages of people agreeing/disagreeing about how that math worked. I never said haste was bad or criticized anyone for using haste gear. Not once will you see me say any of that. It's taking everything I have right now to not insult you over your reading skills.

But you did just insult me. Just like you insulted all of the "haste whores" out there in you initial post. It's fine keep it coming, the more you speak the dumber you sound.

[Naturebeckles]

But you did just insult me. Just like you insulted all of the "haste whores" out there in you initial post. It's fine keep it coming, the more you speak the dumber you sound.

Whatever Vivik. You're just another troll's troll.

[Vivik]

Whatever Vivik. You're just another troll's troll.

It's trolling to point out where you are wrong? You overreacted and acted like an ass in your first post and expected to not take any crap for it. You've been called out on your hypocritical behavior and the best thing you can come up with is "you're a troll"? Please...

[cidbahamut]

Your thin skin doesn't make the other posters in this thread any less correct, it just makes you look like a jerk.

[Rambus]

Uh no no no no no. I was NOT insulting ANYBODY for using haste. I saw the whole discussion about the all the specifics of the math of how haste works as kind of pointless. I'm not saying Frost's guide was pointless. But there were pages of people agreeing/disagreeing about how that math worked. I never said haste was bad or criticized anyone for using haste gear. Not once will you see me say any of that. It's taking everything I have right now to not insult you over your reading skills.

I am wondering, are you a bit new with talking to people on fourm? there are people here that have spliced how the game works and back track to give exact fomrulas, so there are some math nerds here like my self that are very picky how mcuh statments are worded to be correct to the letter ( or should i say to the decimal?)

like how i posted this comment:

keep this in mind when you say you have a 400% or 500% ( i'm a bit lost in why the comment but i want to point this fact out to make sure it should be one or the other)

when you say 100% increase it means your total is oringal amount times 2 for outcome , like wise 400% means orginal vaule times 5.

[Naturebeckles]

I am wondering, are you a bit new with talking to people on fourm? there are people here that have spliced how the game works and back track to give exact fomrulas, so there are some math nerds here like my self that are very picky how mcuh statments are worded to be correct to the letter ( or should i say to the decimal?)

like how i posted this comment:

Well, yes I am actually. I have no problem whatsoever with the Math. I'm not going to sit here and actually argue Math or game mechanics. I know there are people like you and Frost who are way smarter than me with that stuff.

But, as I will always maintain - gear choice is mainly done over the opinion each person has about what gear is best for them based on how they play, what they're goals are, whether they care about outperforming other players or not, and etc. Even their race makes a different. An Elvaan BLM will need to stack more INT than other races because their natural base INT is lower than other races. That's just an example. Thought I do appreciate Frost's original post and subsequent replies, especially to me... being from a teaching standpoint and not just telling me I'm a "bad player" for not gear swapping and having a heavy haste/tp setup, I may not change the way I play. Simply because I've never really cared about other players outperforming me. At the end of the day, the mobs still die, battles and missions are still won, and even if I'm just an "average" player, I'm ok with that. Maybe getting offended easily over being called a "bad player" was my downfall last night. However, i'm sure I'm not the only person in the world who would take offense to being called a bad player as being a fact based solely on gear choices.

[Rambus]

Well, yes I am actually. I have no problem whatsoever with the Math. I'm not going to sit here and actually argue Math or game mechanics. I know there are people like you and Frost who are way smarter than me with that stuff.

But, as I will always maintain - gear choice is mainly done over the opinion each person has about what gear is best for them based on how they play, what they're goals are, whether they care about outperforming other players or not, and etc. Even their race makes a different. An Elvaan BLM will need to stack more INT than other races because their natural base INT is lower than other races. That's just an example. Thought I do appreciate Frost's original post and subsequent replies, especially to me... being from a teaching standpoint and not just telling me I'm a "bad player" for not gear swapping and having a heavy haste/tp setup, I may not change the way I play. Simply because I've never really cared about other players outperforming me. At the end of the day, the mobs still die, battles and missions are still won, and even if I'm just an "average" player, I'm ok with that. Maybe getting offended easily over being called a "bad player" was my downfall last night. However, i'm sure I'm not the only person in the world who would take offense to being called a bad player as being a fact based solely on gear choices.

meny forum people are very picky and try to stress macros, if you look at the SCH board how I posted my SCH macros you know how crazy some of us can be to be perfectionist.

sometimes it can make or brake you, in lowamn situations the results of macroing like that become more apperent.

to me having a TP and WS macros these days are somewhat basic and requred, but thats just how i view things ( again take a look what i posted on my SCH macros, so you get the idea how much work i put into performace). ( people can have setups for different WS like how war use to have a ws set for raging rush because its crt and there was other times kings justace was better so they set up some different ws gear for that, that is something I do not expect, but nice to have, shows more pride in the job.) Then you have people that go even further that have PDT, MDT and other more situational gear.

telling people how to play never goes well, you feel people are telling you that your gimp for not using macros and people feel your trying to be a troll for going about the math statments and such

[Naturebeckles]

meny forum people are very picky and try to stress macros, if you look at the SCH board how I posted my SCH macros you know how crazy some of us can be to be perfectionist.

sometimes it can make or brake you, in lowamn situations the results of macroing like that become more apperent.

to me having a TP and WS macros these days are somewhat basic and requred, but thats just how i view things ( again take a look what i posted on my SCH macros, so you get the idea how much work i put into performace). ( people can have setups for different WS like how war use to have a ws set for raging rush because its crt and there was other times kings justace was better so they set up some different ws gear for that, that is something I do not expect, but nice to have, shows more pride in the job.) Then you have people that go even further that have PDT, MDT and other more situational gear.

telling people how to play never goes well, you feel people are telling you that your gimp for not using macros and people feel your trying to be a troll for going about the math statments and such

It was never about the Math for me except for I thought it was funny there was so much discussion going on about it. I mean, maybe it's just the people I've observed on my server, but I've watched other thfs solo mobs in the same area as me, as thf/dnc or with several gear changing macros because they haste and then WS and some of them have a lower survivability rate as me. I've watched them die soloing while I'm barely having any trouble. Those people make me laugh. Maybe what they do is good for a party setup when they're not having to tank mobs solo. But I see somebody like that, who doesn't realize you may not be able to do the same thing solo that you can in a party and I can't say they're a better player than me just because they swap gear for WS's and go with a haste/tp build when they're not WSing. It's never been about the Math for me. Likewise, it was easy for me to get irritated at people calling me a bad player just because I don't play that way. I don't see it as a basic thing to do. I see it as a player game choice. I don't really care if you outperform me as a player. That doesn't make me any less smart. Maybe I'm just lazy. Doesn't make me a bad player though.

[HFX7686]

It was never about the Math for me except for I thought it was funny there was so much discussion going on about it. I mean, maybe it's just the people I've observed on my server, but I've watched other thfs solo mobs in the same area as me, as thf/dnc or with several gear changing macros because they haste and then WS and some of them have a lower survivability rate as me. I've watched them die soloing while I'm barely having any trouble. Those people make me laugh. Maybe what they do is good for a party setup when they're not having to tank mobs solo. But I see somebody like that, who doesn't realize you may not be able to do the same thing solo that you can in a party and I can't say they're a better player than me just because they swap gear for WS's and go with a haste/tp build when they're not WSing. It's never been about the Math for me. Likewise, it was easy for me to get irritated at people calling me a bad player just because I don't play that way. I don't see it as a basic thing to do. I see it as a player game choice. I don't really care if you outperform me as a player. That doesn't make me any less smart. Maybe I'm just lazy. Doesn't make me a bad player though.

Eyeballed it.