Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Frost]

Frost, man I just wanted to say you're awesome for going through all the trouble to post that and still read all this thread, although it has been entertaining to read through at some points, I loved the "We'll jump off that cliff faster than you because we have haste" comment, you've basically laid out a great explanation of haste that can't really be discussed. Any chances you could crunch some numbers for ATK or Double Attack? Someone in my LS said that adding DA was basically the same for your DPS as adding haste, any idea if that's true?

Double attack works differently. For every percent of DA you add you're taking away form the pool you can add to.... And it only adds a static number.

For instance: If you attack 100 times and 10 of those hits are double attacks, that means you attack 110 times roughly.

If you add 10% more double attack to that, you are adding 10% double attack to 90% of the hits... so 9% DA is added bringing your total attacks out of 100 to 119, this is called "Diminishing returns". (Someone please correct me if I got that wrong)

Where as say, you had 10% haste and added 10% more... Look at the chart on page one... (lol...)

20% DA = 19% more attacks
20% Haste = 25% more attacks.

Make sense?

[Kirana]

Double attack works differently. For every percent of DA you add you're taking away form the pool you can add to.... And it only adds a static number.

For instance: If you attack 100 times and 10 of those hits are double attacks, that means you attack 110 times roughly.

If you add 10% more double attack to that, you are adding 10% double attack to 90% of the hits... so 9% DA is added bringing your total attacks out of 100 to 119, this is called "Diminishing returns". (Someone please correct me if I got that wrong)

Where as say, you had 10% haste and added 10% more... Look at the chart on page one... (lol...)

20% DA = 19% more attacks
20% Haste = 25% more attacks.

Make sense?

you've got the diminishing returns thing a bit wrong. if you have 10% DA and add 10% more, you will come out with 120 attacks on average (per 100 swings). The way diminishing returns works is the effective PERCENTAGE increase of DPS from stacking additional DA gets lower as your DA gets higher. 0% DA to 10% DA would be a 10% increase in DPS. 10% DA (110 swings average) to 20% DA (120 swings average) is a (10/110) ~9% increase.

Haste works differently. It has exponentially increasing returns. As haste% approaches 100%, DPS approaches infinity. The more haste you have, the higher the +percentage DPS of adding more.