Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Cream_Soda]

26.58% to 28.21% is 6.13%

But...

85.19% to 88.68% is only 4.10%

And I know Haste is exponential, so what am I doing wrong here?

Doesn't work that way for haste because the way it's calculated is different. You have to use the formula I gave you earlier.

Added haste/(100-total haste).

85.19 to 88.68 is adding 3.49 haste.

3.49/(100- total haste, including what you added)
3.49/(100-88.68)
3.49/11.32 = 30.83% increase (Fyi this is why the hard cap on haste is 80% because when it was higher, things just got plain insane.)

I can't believe one of you posted a guide which spawned this entire pointless discussion about the specifics over haste. Maybe I'll just stick to not being a haste whore....

If you're fine with dealing lower damage, go right for it. I'm not here to tell anyone how they should or should not play, but if they want to perform better, I will post how you can achieve that. From there, you can decide whether or not you want to.

[Naturebeckles]

It's funny you of all people ended up posting here. Among others, it was ultimately your naivety that lead to this post.

Well, I'm proud of myself for inspiring you then. It's not going to change gearing my thf for dex, agi, and chr. I'd rather my trick attack hit harder, my evasion be higher and my dancing edge hit harder than change all my gear to the highest haste I can get, just to hit faster. Hitting faster isn't the only, nor is it the most important gear decision people can make on this game. It's YOUR opinion that it is.

[Naturebeckles]

Frost is the OP. He is simply checking his work. Their discussion has been incredibly civil and has proven beneficial to the thread. I dare say it's far from pointless.

He should have checked his work before posting then. This game has been around for 10 years now and people still have different opinions about the specifics of haste.

[sope]

This is probably the best guide on the official forums. Good job.

[Greatguardian]

He should have checked his work before posting then. This game has been around for 10 years now and people still have different opinions about the specifics of haste.

They agree though.

[HFX7686]

Well, I'm proud of myself for inspiring you then. It's not going to change gearing my thf for dex, agi, and chr. I'd rather my trick attack hit harder, my evasion be higher and my dancing edge hit harder than change all my gear to the highest haste I can get, just to hit faster. Hitting faster isn't the only, nor is it the most important gear decision people can make on this game. It's YOUR opinion that it is.

What? It's not an opinion. It's math. It's right. You're wrong. Good lord.

[Naturebeckles]

What? It's not an opinion. It's math. It's right. You're wrong. Good lord.

Apparently, you totally missed what I said. I said it's his opinion that haste is the most important gear choice that people can make in this game. It's apparent that he feels that way because he directly said that I was, among other people, the reason he made his original post in the first place. It was obvious to him that haste was not that important to me. So, maybe take a break from thinking for a while, or think another minute about what you just read before you reply to it.

[Cream_Soda]

I said it's your opinion that haste is the most important gear choice that people can make in this game.

It's can be an opinion based on what context you use it in. It also can be a fact based on what context you use it in.

For example: In terms of trying to evade a monster, you may have an opinion on what is a good balance of haste and evasion that may differ from someone else's.

It can also be a fact

For example: If damage is your number one priority, then x amount of haste is going to beat Y amount of another stat. This either happens or it doesn't happen depending on the value of x and the value of Y. Either way you look at it though, would be a fact in the scenario, not an opinion.

[HFX7686]

Apparently, you totally missed what I said. I said it's his opinion that haste is the most important gear choice that people can make in this game. It's apparent that he feels that way because he directly said that I was, among other people, the reason he made your original post in the first place. It was obvious to him that haste was not that important to me. So, maybe take a break from thinking for a while, or think another minute about what you just read before you reply to it.

You want to hit harder to do more damage so you don't change your gear.

You will do the same amount of damage per weapon skill as someone who stacks haste and switches to damage gear for their weapon skill.

You won't, however, do as much damage over time as that other person. They will do more weapon skills than you.

You do less damage and are less useful than someone who properly gears themselves with haste.

This is not an opinion.

[Naturebeckles]

You want to hit harder to do more damage so you don't change your gear.

You will do the same amount of damage per weapon skill as someone who stacks haste and switches to damage gear for their weapon skill.

You won't, however, do as much damage over time as that other person. They will do more weapon skills than you.

You do less damage and are less useful than someone who properly gears themselves with haste.

This is not an opinion.

But then I will die because the mob is crit hitting me or using a TP move at the same time that I'm changing gear for a weapon skill, causing my mage to not be able to cure me. Then I die and lose all my tp anyway.

I still win.