Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Greatguardian]

I actually debated on whether or not to put it at 25% or 26% because technically the cap IS 25%

The haste on gear that add up to that are not all accurately displayed. (As you stated)

The discrepancy is in the gear, not the cap.

Edit:
Btw thank you all for the input, I read this over like 30 times and fact checked my math and stuff.. But it's hard to get everything. I appreciate it.

This is correct.

The cap on haste from gear is 256/1024, or 25%. However, because the actual haste value is in bit form and the values of haste on gear is in %-form, rounding tends to occur which can cause discrepancies between your visible haste value and your actual haste value.

An example:
1% Haste on gear would round to 10.24/1024, but because the game floors values you're only actually getting 10/1024 of haste from that piece.

In most cases, a visible 25% Haste in gear translates to 250/1024, which is less than 25%. In order to truly get 25% haste, or 256/1024, you need to have 26% of visible Haste gear. However, because you were only missing 6/1024 while you had 25% visible Haste gear, that last 1% of visible haste is worth about half as much as each of the previous 1%'s of haste.

I think this is an excellent resource, by the way. I don't see anything wrong with your numbers in the OP, I just thought I'd clarify the 25/26% gear Haste bit in case anyone was interested.

[Burmecia]

Nice guide, thanks for putting this up.

[Cream_Soda]

21% haste is a 26.58% increase in attack rounds. 22% haste is a 28.21% increase in attack rounds. - Or to put it simply a 1.63% increase in attack rounds.

This is incorrect. It's pretty much never in terms of addition/subtraction and most often in terms of multiplication/division.

Let's look at it this way.

Our average dmg is 1 dmg/attack.

We go for 100 attack rounds.

21% haste, you get 26.58% extra attacks for 126.58 attacks total.
22% haste you get 28.21% extra attacks for 128.21 attacks total.

Since our average dmg is 1/hit (1 is just easy to work w/ any number would give same results).

128.21 dmg vs 126.58 dmg.

You gain 1.63 damage, in comparison, but you don't a 1.63% increase in damage.

128.21/126.58 = 1.29% increase in damage.

In that particular scenario, you're giving it slightly more credit than what it's worth.

[Cream_Soda]

A simple way to get the % increase from haste.

[(Amount of haste you're adding)/(100 - TOTAL HASTE)] x 100

by total haste, I mean YOU INCLUDE the haste you're adding.

So, for example, let's say you have 21% haste, and add 1% haste to total 22% haste.

1/(100-22) = 1/78 = .0128205128 x 100 = 1.28%


The number I calculated in my previous post (1.29%) is slightly off because we were using rounded figures.



The formula does match your chart perfectly though.

For example, going from 0 to 80% haste

[80/(100-80)] x 100 = [80/20] x 100 = [4] x 100 = 400% increase.

[Frost]

I thought I chose my words pretty carefully.
I said it was a 1.63% increase in attack rounds between those two points.

But you're right, it's not the difference, it's a product(good catch). However, due to the wording chosen, wouldn't 26.58% increase in hit rate to 28.21% increase in hit rate actually be 6.13% increase in hit rate between the two points?

Please confirm.

[Cream_Soda]

That would be correct.

[Frost]

26.58% to 28.21% is 6.13%

But...

85.19% to 88.68% is only 4.10%

And I know Haste is exponential, so what am I doing wrong here?

[Naturebeckles]

I can't believe one of you posted a guide which spawned this entire pointless discussion about the specifics over haste. Maybe I'll just stick to not being a haste whore....

[Frost]

I can't believe one of you posted a guide which spawned this entire pointless discussion about the specifics over haste. Maybe I'll just stick to not being a haste whore....

It's funny you of all people ended up posting here. Among others, it was ultimately your naivety that lead to this post.

[Greatguardian]

I can't believe one of you posted a guide which spawned this entire pointless discussion about the specifics over haste. Maybe I'll just stick to not being a haste whore....

Frost is the OP. He is simply checking his work. Their discussion has been incredibly civil and has proven beneficial to the thread. I dare say it's far from pointless.