Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[wish12oz]

facepalm

Fun idea, instead of replying and offering nothing and just trying to put people down, why don't you try being useful, and correct the errors you see. Or is that to hard for you? Or are you just afraid you'll get told how wrong you are, again, like every other time you do it.

[Monchat]

Fun idea, instead of replying and offering nothing and just trying to put people down, why don't you try being useful, and correct the errors you see. Or is that to hard for you? Or are you just afraid you'll get told how wrong you are, again, like every other time you do it.

How about you correct it yourself, since you troll in every page of this thread, I think you could do it? Or maybe you just have no idea what youre talking about? hint: read the wiki, very well explained over there.


The OP should be modified and include two facts:

- 50% haste is not 2x damage, 80% haste is not 5x damage. Why? because there is a (huge) delay after every job ability and weapon skills you use ( 2seconds+); this is not modified by haste, and your idle time is all the more important that you have high haste. 2 second delay when you take 8 second to get 100 TP ( SAM) means you're idle 20% of the time for example.


- a very important part of multihits from double/triple/etc attacks does not contribute to WS frequency. 80% DA would be +80% melee dmg but certainly not +80% WS damage. more like 60%.

[Alukat]

The chart actually says if you go from 20% haste to 25% haste you gain 8.33% damage.
+8% DA is only an 8% damage increase if you have 0% DA to begin with, since DA has diminishing returns the more of it you have. And even if you had 0% DA to begin with, 8.33% is bigger then 8%.


Haste value-----------Increase in attack rounds
20%------------------- 25.00%
25%------------------- 33.33%

33.33-25=8.33

based on 100 hits
20% haste will give u 25% increase in rounds (that are basically 25 more hits), combining with 8% DA u'll get +8 hits from the first 100 delays + 2 additional hits of the 25 additional haste hits.
and 25 + 8 + 2 = 35. and 35 > 33,33

Edit: u just forgot to calculate the DA for the additional haste hits.

[Arcon]

The OP should be modified and include two facts:

- 50% haste is not 2x damage, 80% haste is not 5x damage. Why? because there is a (huge) delay after every job ability and weapon skills you use ( 2seconds+); this is not modified by haste, and your idle time is all the more important that you have high haste. 2 second delay when you take 8 second to get 100 TP ( SAM) means you're idle 20% of the time for example.

Up to 2x damage. Up to 5x damage. That's like saying "Haste doesn't even give you 1% extra damage if you're not facing the enemy!"

Edit:
WS damage in itself has to be regarded seperately, because you would swap gear for that. But you're right that WS frequency isn't increased as much as people sometimes make it out to be, since you can overshoot the 100% TP mark sometimes (obviously same with Triple Attack and OAX weapons).

[Greatguardian]

Swapping gear is precisely why you can regard WS damage with Haste. TP'ing in Haste does not affect your Per-WS damage at all, specifically because you always WS in WS gear no matter what. Getting 100TP twice as fast is then directly equivalent to doubling WS damage.

[MarkovChain]

That's the point. You said DoT over time. Unless you're referring to the derivative of DoT, you were being redundant.

melee dot = melee damage over time, seriously troll less lolz.

Swapping gear is precisely why you can regard WS damage with Haste. TP'ing in Haste does not affect your Per-WS damage at all, specifically because you always WS in WS gear no matter what. Getting 100TP twice as fast is then directly equivalent to doubling WS damage.

No you never WS is WS gear in abyssea (because it's useless), which is precisely what I was discussing. Every normal mob is 99% likely to be one shotted . Getting 100 TP is NOT equivalent to doubling WS damage because you precisely don't want to kill as fast as possible and you don't want to do the killshot with the ws.

[Greatguardian]

Christ. Stick to the French forums or something, you really have absolutely no reading comprehension.

[hiko]

melee dot = melee damage over time, seriously troll less lolz.

mele DoT over time

So mele damage over time over time?

[wish12oz]

How about you correct it yourself, since you troll in every page of this thread, I think you could do it? Or maybe you just have no idea what youre talking about? hint: read the wiki, very well explained over there.

It was already corrected or I would of done it, maybe you should try reading the thread instead of making sock puppet accounts pchan.

So mele damage over time over time?

lol

(sword strap testing is) Somewhere on BG (maybe i think i saw it this one time over there in that place you know the one ya there with that thing by that guy who said it and was right and stuff)

My searching didn't find it, maybe you could post a link? Or just say it hasn't been tested, either way.

[Neisan_Quetz]

I'm fairly certain I've read it, but I can't tell you where, but I'm pretty sure it's straight -delay. Maybe an old RQT thread? it's hazy but pretty sure it was in the old advanced.