Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Babekeke]

I'm really sorry if this has already been posted, but I only just saw the thread and got as far as the first 8 pages of flaming Naturebeckles and gave up reading.

OP states 80% haste is the maximum delay for attack rounds, but does this include dual wield, or can you get 80% haste and then Dual Wield on top of that?

[Byrth]

I'm really sorry if this has already been posted, but I only just saw the thread and got as far as the first 8 pages of flaming Naturebeckles and gave up reading.

OP states 80% haste is the maximum delay for attack rounds, but does this include dual wield, or can you get 80% haste and then Dual Wield on top of that?

It is the total delay reduction cap, so it includes Dual Wield, Martial Arts, and gear with -Delay % on it.

[Babekeke]

It is the total delay reduction cap, so it includes Dual Wield, Martial Arts, and gear with -Delay % on it.

So if I have this right, according to the OP:

52.5% - 111 ---------- Gear + Haste + Victory March

+DW3 from nin sub = 77.5%
+Suppanomimi or Raider's Boomerang or other DW+3%+ gear = attack speed cap and no need for a 2nd march or haste samba?

That's quite interesting if it's the case, and useful to know when I play brd if I'm just with a thf, nin, dnc, mnk party.

[hiko]

So if I have this right, according to the OP:


+DW3 from nin sub = 77.5%
+Suppanomimi or Raider's Boomerang or other DW+3%+ gear = attack speed cap and no need for a 2nd march or haste samba?

That's quite interesting if it's the case, and useful to know when I play brd if I'm just with a thf, nin, dnc, mnk party.

no because haste and dual wield are not aditive but multiplicative

[Arcon]

no because haste and dual wield are not aditive but multiplicative

This. DW3 is 25% Dual Wield. The Calculations are as follows:

Delay multiplier = (1 - Dual Wield) * (1 - Haste) = (1 - 25%) * (1 - 52.5%) = 0.75*0.475 = 0.35625

This value is capped at 0.2 (which equals 80% Haste). So if you are dual wielding weapons with 400 combined delay (~6.7s between attack rounds, prior to any kind of reduction), you would have 400*0.35625 = 142.5 delay, after reduction has been applied (~2.4s between attack rounds).

Note that only (1 - Dual Wield) * Delay is the value that is used in TP calculation, Haste doesn't matter for that at all.

So... your base delay (weapon delay, or 480 + weapon delay in the case of hand-to-hand) is first reduced by Delay reduction gear or Dual Wield/Martial Arts. This value is used to calculate TP gain and Samba efficiency. Then Haste is applied, and the new value is used as your attack speed (delay/60 = time in seconds between attacks).