Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[wish12oz]

can a 2H user (aside from drk during last resort) reach the 80%?

March +4 (march+3 instrument, and af3+2 hands) is 15.5% and 12.5% basically, +25% gear haste, 15% spell, 10% hasso leaves you at 78% saddly =|
Depending on how sword strap works, you may be able to cap delay reduction using it, but there's never been any testing done to show if it stacks with haste or works like dual wield and would give you 3% off your new delay after haste is worked out.

Personally, I dunno which is true, I never even thought about it until recently, I always just assumed it stacked with haste until someone tried to say it didn't, but even then, no one has tested it, so no one can say.

[Frost]

March +4 (march+3 instrument, and af3+2 hands) is 15.5% and 12.5% basically, +25% gear haste, 15% spell, 10% hasso leaves you at 78% saddly =|
Depending on how sword strap works, you may be able to cap delay reduction using it, but there's never been any testing done to show if it stacks with haste or works like dual wield and would give you 3% off your new delay after haste is worked out.

Personally, I dunno which is true, I never even thought about it until recently, I always just assumed it stacked with haste until someone tried to say it didn't, but even then, no one has tested it, so no one can say.

Could add Haste Samba no?

[Byrth]

Iirc, there has been testing done with Sword Strap and it doesn't add to Haste. It's a 3% reduction to the base delay of your 2H weapon, like Dual Wield reduces the delay of your 1H weapon. Haste reduces that further.

And yeah, even /DNC Haste Samba caps 2H delay.

[wish12oz]

Iirc, there has been testing done with Sword Strap and it doesn't add to Haste. It's a 3% reduction to the base delay of your 2H weapon, like Dual Wield reduces the delay of your 1H weapon. Haste reduces that further.

And yeah, even /DNC Haste Samba caps 2H delay.

Where/when and please link me if I didnt already say it.

[Byrth]

Where/when and please link me if I didnt already say it.

Somewhere in the "pleasantly searchable" bowels of BG, pretty much at the time of release. If I was a betting man, my money would be that Kirschy at least assisted with the test in some way, if she didn't do it herself. Good luck finding it, but that's how it works.

If you want to test it yourself, I'd recommend using Drain Samba II as an indicator of your total delay. Put yourself on a break point so 3% Haste would reduce your max HP Drained, but -3% Delay would not. Do a control with the delay in question, put on the Grip, see what happens! I guess I should put the disclaimer that I'm somewhat Dancer-centric, but this seems like the easiest way to me.

[hiko]

sword strap affect TP/hit, no need to test further

[Wenslydale]

sword strap affect TP/hit, no need to test further

This is only a problem if you don't account for it in your x-hit build.

[hiko]

This is only a problem if you don't account for it in your x-hit build.

never said it was a problem, just replyed on discussion if it adds to haste or DR

[Arcon]

The OP should be modified and include two facts:

- 50% haste is not 2x damage, 80% haste is not 5x damage. Why? because there is a (huge) delay after every job ability and weapon skills you use ( 2seconds+); this is not modified by haste, and your idle time is all the more important that you have high haste. 2 second delay when you take 8 second to get 100 TP ( SAM) means you're idle 20% of the time for example.

Up to 2x damage. Up to 5x damage. That's like saying "Haste doesn't even give you 1% extra damage if you're not facing the enemy!"

Edit:
WS damage in itself has to be regarded seperately, because you would swap gear for that. But you're right that WS frequency isn't increased as much as people sometimes make it out to be, since you can overshoot the 100% TP mark sometimes (obviously same with Triple Attack and OAX weapons).

[Alukat]

Edit:
WS damage in itself has to be regarded seperately, because you would swap gear for that. But you're right that WS frequency isn't increased as much as people sometimes make it out to be, since you can overshoot the 100% TP mark sometimes (obviously same with Triple Attack and OAX weapons).

yup, but overshooting the 100%tp gives a little increase in ftp.

on rudra's storm:

ftp 100%: 3.25
ftp 200%: 4.25
ftp 300%: 5.25

ftp 115%:

f100 + 0.15 * (f200 - f100)
3.25 + 0.15 * (4.25 - 3.25)
3.25 + 0.15 * 1
3.25 + 0.15
3.4

so your ws does more dmg.

Edit: u want to get 100% tp fast as possible and u want to overshoot it far as possible, except 100% tp has same effect as 200%tp