Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Harukusan]

I can't believe I just read 33 pages of this crap hoping to learn something. Not to sound rude, of course, the OP is a nice reference, as well as serious posts that came after it. Something to reflect on when you want to do the math to understand what your current gear is capable of compared to what you could be doing.

The basic recap that everyone should remember is that to maximize your damage output, the first thing you should do is build 26% of haste in your TP gear set. Stats such as accuracy are becoming almost unnecessary, especially in Abyssea. In fact, atmas seem to create a sort of "loophole" in the need for building certain stats for your WS or magic or whatever, further nurturing newer players, leading them to the belief that "gear isn't everything." Let's go back to the old days when doing a 2k+ damage WS meant you were a beast, and not average.

Anyway... Before I go too far off topic and say more than my half-asleep brain urges me to spew, I'll end with this neat little tool that's available free to the public, and doesn't hinder or enhance game-play in any way. It's merely used as a source of information. If you're lazy like me, you could go here: http://ffxicalculator.com/
The calculator does all the math (in terms of delay and accuracy, among other things) for you. Check it out!

[wish12oz]

I was never aware of just how much of an increase in damage moving from 75% to 80% delay reduction was. Thanks for the info.

[Dfoley]

Decided to make an excel sheet to assist the OP in showing this:

Currently its just for mnk/pup, and dual wield. I will add a section later for 2 handers and /sam.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...NDY0ZWEx&hl=en

Follow that, select file, download original.

Notes:
1)i did haste calcs in % form instead of the 1024 form, I will go back later and correct it but the difference is so marginal it wont change anything more then a few 0.0x%
2) Bard haste is assumed to be 25% (+2 march and af3 gloves)
3) any suggestions on what else to add or any calculations i goofed let me know.

I feel this better shows the difference between 24% haste and 25% haste (gear) since it factors in MA or dual wield, as well spell, songs, and JA

[RaenRyong]

There must have been like 20 posts calling people "bad" players which is both undescriptive and really just floors the level of the conversation. Inefficient, underperforming, casual may have described the situation better although I am in no way supporting either side with this statement.

I think casual as an implied synonym with bad/inefficient/underperforming is a bit insulting to a casual player. Not gear swapping and learning to gear your jobs is not an example of a casual player - it is an example of a lazy/uncaring/undesirable one.

[RAIST]

NICE Dfoley. didn't notice I was so close to capping haste on MNK if I /WHM and haste myself. Guess that explains why MNK is such a hate monger now with AF3 pieces on--and I only have 2 pieces completed so far.

Just a note for the future. When publishing to the web, save those office docs to the older compatability types (File/Save As and pick .XLS/.DOC format and not .XLSX/.DOCX). Not everyone has the newer Office products. I had the add-on conversion packet installed to revert it back to XLS though, but not everyone knows about that.

Raist

[Dooom]

NICE Dfoley. didn't notice I was so close to capping haste on MNK if I /WHM and haste myself.

...or get the mages in your party to do it for you?

Guess that explains why MNK is such a hate monger now with AF3 pieces on--and I only have 2 pieces completed so far.

Many jobs can cap attack speed and haste now. It is a contributing factor to monk's strength, but it is far and away from being the sole reason.

[Dfoley]

okay fixed dual wield and changed the file type to xls

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...YTUwMGY4&hl=en

as a monk with spell haste, you are 20~30% away from the cap. You need bard and /dnc to reach it.

Ideally use brd/whm for 40% haste then use mnk/dnc to cap yourself.

[RAIST]

@ Dooom

lol.. I usually do /DNC or /NIN for the survivablity factor, but sometimes I just know that, no matter what, I'm gonna die a lot so I'll /WHM just to make sure I have reraise up. Not ideal I know, but hell... MNK is just such a beast on it's own now, regardless of subjob. Even with just WHM Haste it is crazy enough... but when we manage to con someone to come BRD too... omfg it is INSANE. I really wish we had more SMN available--I miss being able to dish out the beat down sometimes...

Raist

[Greatguardian]

okay fixed dual wield and changed the file type to xls

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...YTUwMGY4&hl=en

as a monk with spell haste, you are 20~30% away from the cap. You need bard and /dnc to reach it.

Ideally use brd/whm for 40% haste then use mnk/dnc to cap yourself.

If you're giving a MNK bard support you may as well add a DNC main to the mix and go MNK/WAR =/

[RAIST]

omg I wish. I can't EVEN go SAM/WAR anymore unless we are just flat out raping stuff in there. That Double Attack boost is just too much damage...among all the other wonderful goodies /WAR brings with it.... heheheheh. And don't EVEN get me started on DRG/SAM's TP gain <drool>.

Really sucks when you have to nerf yourself sometimes to stay alive...takes me back to when I used to play RNG... /sigh

Raist