Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Dooom]

NICE Dfoley. didn't notice I was so close to capping haste on MNK if I /WHM and haste myself.

...or get the mages in your party to do it for you?

Guess that explains why MNK is such a hate monger now with AF3 pieces on--and I only have 2 pieces completed so far.

Many jobs can cap attack speed and haste now. It is a contributing factor to monk's strength, but it is far and away from being the sole reason.

[Dfoley]

okay fixed dual wield and changed the file type to xls

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...YTUwMGY4&hl=en

as a monk with spell haste, you are 20~30% away from the cap. You need bard and /dnc to reach it.

Ideally use brd/whm for 40% haste then use mnk/dnc to cap yourself.

[Greatguardian]

okay fixed dual wield and changed the file type to xls

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...YTUwMGY4&hl=en

as a monk with spell haste, you are 20~30% away from the cap. You need bard and /dnc to reach it.

Ideally use brd/whm for 40% haste then use mnk/dnc to cap yourself.

If you're giving a MNK bard support you may as well add a DNC main to the mix and go MNK/WAR =/

[RAIST]

omg I wish. I can't EVEN go SAM/WAR anymore unless we are just flat out raping stuff in there. That Double Attack boost is just too much damage...among all the other wonderful goodies /WAR brings with it.... heheheheh. And don't EVEN get me started on DRG/SAM's TP gain <drool>.

Really sucks when you have to nerf yourself sometimes to stay alive...takes me back to when I used to play RNG... /sigh

Raist

[RAIST]

@ Dooom

lol.. I usually do /DNC or /NIN for the survivablity factor, but sometimes I just know that, no matter what, I'm gonna die a lot so I'll /WHM just to make sure I have reraise up. Not ideal I know, but hell... MNK is just such a beast on it's own now, regardless of subjob. Even with just WHM Haste it is crazy enough... but when we manage to con someone to come BRD too... omfg it is INSANE. I really wish we had more SMN available--I miss being able to dish out the beat down sometimes...

Raist

[Henihhi]

MMM popcorn! But seriously, if mages in abyssea cant keep you alive, there is an issue- unlimited mana pool, godly cureskin, etc and you're worried about dying? Time to find new mages.

[RAIST]

hehe.. it's more that they don't want me to do it b/c I become too much an mp sponge. /WAR and /SAM can make so many jobs such hate mongers now. I usally have the gear to hold my own...took on 5 mandies the other night and killed them all after the "tank" died... but... meh. Held Sippoy on WHM once while the "tank" recovered from Weakness. I'm forever told to turn around on an NM so the NIN can get hate... asked not to WS so much... have to spam jumps to shed hate on DRG... I'm like WTF am I supposed to do, sit on my ass? It's frustrating sometimes how crazy hate is on some targets now. For the last month or so, they've always had me come WHM or SMN for the triggers...which is getting a little old. While it's always fun smacking things with Garuda...I'd like to feel the rush of beating something myself once in a while. But noooo... Cataclysm is bad... makes amber if it kills.... meh.

...no respect...

Raist

[Greatguardian]

hehe.. it's more that they don't want me to do it b/c I become too much an mp sponge. /WAR and /SAM can make so many jobs such hate mongers now. I usally have the gear to hold my own...took on 5 mandies the other night and killed them all after the "tank" died... but... meh. Held Sippoy on WHM once while the "tank" recovered from Weakness. I'm forever told to turn around on an NM so the NIN can get hate... asked not to WS so much... have to spam jumps to shed hate on DRG... I'm like WTF am I supposed to do, sit on my ass? It's frustrating sometimes how crazy hate is on some targets now. For the last month or so, they've always had me come WHM or SMN for the triggers...which is getting a little old. While it's always fun smacking things with Garuda...I'd like to feel the rush of beating something myself once in a while. But noooo... Cataclysm is bad... makes amber if it kills.... meh.

...no respect...

Raist

The problem doesn't seem to be with you, it seems to be with them.

[Harukusan]

hehe.. it's more that they don't want me to do it b/c I become too much an mp sponge. /WAR and /SAM can make so many jobs such hate mongers now. I usally have the gear to hold my own...took on 5 mandies the other night and killed them all after the "tank" died... but... meh. Held Sippoy on WHM once while the "tank" recovered from Weakness. I'm forever told to turn around on an NM so the NIN can get hate... asked not to WS so much... have to spam jumps to shed hate on DRG... I'm like WTF am I supposed to do, sit on my ass? It's frustrating sometimes how crazy hate is on some targets now. For the last month or so, they've always had me come WHM or SMN for the triggers...which is getting a little old. While it's always fun smacking things with Garuda...I'd like to feel the rush of beating something myself once in a while. But noooo... Cataclysm is bad... makes amber if it kills.... meh.

...no respect...

Raist

I often find myself telling several people not to fight certain NMs and to let the "pros" handle it. But I only do this when the situation sees fit. If you can't put out sufficient dps to make up for the tp you're feeding to the targets, you're better off not getting in the way. That's not to say I don't give people a chance. If they can't perform up to standard, they are only hurting the cause. That's why I find this thread helpful to people who are willing to learn to adapt and improve themselves, so they aren't constantly asked to sit on the side twiddling their thumbs.

Edit: with 1-2 above average WHMs, TP feed shouldn't really be an issue with a majority of NMs that are popular today, so if anyone is dying, you can put the blame on your slacking mages.

In your case Raist, it sounds like your DRG should be up there tanking and you should fire the NIN that can't keep up enough dps to maintain a solid hold on hate (although since enmity has a cap that's easy to reach, it's almost impossible for any single person to have hate at all times, assuming everyone is doing their job correctly).

With Abyssea, it's obvious which jobs are most useful for the biggest situations, namely triggering NM weaknesses. When you want a WAR and NIN on the front line, and you bring say RNG or BST or DRG, you are definitely going to be doing a lot of bench warming. That's not to say they are completely useless, but most situations wouldn't generally call for them. In the end, it's all situational.

[Henihhi]

OMG not another 'I dont swap gear because then the mage cant cure me" bs. As someone that mains whm and rdm, this is total bs. This is sheer laziness, and bragging that you lead/sack w/e in a ls is doing no justice to them because you are a sheer moron. Been playing since 2007? and you dont know how to gear swap to optimize play? that is nothing to brag about. But yet you sit here and bash on people for trying to help you improve. Obviously you and anyone else that holds this position needs to not post n forums until you learn how to play the game. And you accuse people of trying to troll you/harrass you for giving you tips on gameplay?Seriously what drugs are you on. This is not opinion, it is fact, math >your self righteous blabber on some forum that you think will get noticed. Pease don't indulge us anymore with your pitiful excuses for a melee not swapping gear.