Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[RAIST]

So, in a nut shell... How do I factor in haste when compared to other stats?

As stated towards the end of the OP, you need to strike a balance. Loading up on a butt-load of haste won't mean much if you are whiffing a lot. Guess that's why you still see some Aurore and Perle pieces in use--people trying to keep a bit of the ACC factored into the mix, but swapping in some other pieces for the haste. MNK may be a good one to look at...some of the AF3 pieces replace (or increase the haste) from Aurore in the same slots, but also increase Kick Attack rates for free damage. While you loose the StoreTP+8, you are gaining the extra attacks to compensate and balance the DoT, possible increasing it. Would like to see some parsed data between them.

Can't wait to finish my Tantra and Iga sets and hopefully ditch pinks for good.

Raist

[Greatguardian]

As stated towards the end of the OP, you need to strike a balance. Loading up on a butt-load of haste won't mean much if you are whiffing a lot. Guess that's why you still see some Aurore and Perle pieces in use--people trying to keep a bit of the ACC factored into the mix, but swapping in some other pieces for the haste. MNK may be a good one to look at...some of the AF3 pieces replace (or increase the haste) from Aurore in the same slots, but also increase Kick Attack rates for free damage. While you loose the StoreTP+8, you are gaining the extra attacks to compensate and balance the DoT, possible increasing it. Would like to see some parsed data between them.

Can't wait to finish my Tantra and Iga sets and hopefully ditch pinks for good.

Raist

Eh, technically true. However, at level 90 factoring in 360+ skills, atmas/cruor buffs (inside abyssea), and level correction (outside abyssea, and in Visions/some Scars), Accuracy is fairly easy to cap without devoting gear to it. In the rare cases where accuracy is not capped, switching from Curry/Steak to Pizza should be more than sufficient. If it's between Accuracy and Haste, Haste is a clear winner in the vast majority of situations.

Attack is more of a concern these days. Most people are not capped on Attack for most things, so there is a tangible benefit to Attack+ in gear. However, you would need extremely low Attack in order for it to stand up to Haste in the same slot.

If you want a simple, 1 rule to rule them all type thing, gear for your X-hit, then Haste, TA, DA, Attack, and then Str/Acc in that order (I'm assuming fStr is capped in Abyssea, and that there is Str on other good pieces anyways). From there, let your food make up anything you're missing. Bison Steak is an extremely cheap, long lasting, potent Attack food and I highly recommend it. If you find yourself having accuracy issues for whatever reason, Marinara Pizza +1 should fill that gap. It's incredibly unlikely that anything these days will warrant sushi.

[Relyk]

It's funny how many posts are simply bandwagoning off both sides of a one sided argument. Also perhaps some people should use this time off to increase their vocabulary a bit? There must have been like 20 posts calling people "bad" players which is both undescriptive and really just floors the level of the conversation. Inefficient, underperforming, casual may have described the situation better although I am in no way supporting either side with this statement.

That being said this game has gone through so many changes over the years and with each of them come new standards. Its really not too terribly difficult to make a macro or two(dozen) to swap out some easily obtainable gear.

I'm surprised that in 33 pages of garbage no one mentioned that you can swap some gear without blinking which would at least be a slight step in the right direction thus solving the problem(If there ever was one with stal macros)
Waist neck back rings earrings, change em for WS and evasion or whatever floats your boat, you won't blink so even the laziest of white Mages can find you to heal you while scrolling through there hundred spells.

Maybe it just takes an appreciation of how far this game has come. I remember when I TPed in a hauby and full thick gear. Back then it was more than acceptable. Before the two handed update or even back when the /disengage trick still worked (lol anyone remember that?) but times change and so do the standards by which we measure ourselves.

The underlying math is what doesn't change which is what keeps me playing this game. To see the marginal effects of my decisions in both gearing and playing makes me hawt.

Part of me misses the colibri when the dats was plentiful, standards workable and marginal increases were the world. I would like to see an FF where dDex fStr and accuracy play a role again. Haste is an easy decision, has been for a long time and always will be.

[RAIST]

@ Greatguardian

yeah...I probly need to redo my sets for aby one day. I was thinking more along the lines of the older content. I spent so much time leveling up old school to around 65 or so before going into abyssea (didnd't want to just squat and leech in there.. wanted to stand a chance at actually hitting crap while in there), all my macros are still swapping in gears to exploit mods for WS and stuff. I need to get some quality time in abyssea to play around and make a new bank of macros for better accessories just for abyssea I guess.

but.. meh...wonder if it would really make much of a difference in there with all the atmas now. It's nothing to give your self +100 STR/DEX and a flat bump to both ACC and ATT with atma in there. Maybe a keen and assailants ring with mermans/coral earrings just to give the ATT a nice shot in the arm. Think I still have a tiger stole floating around too. With 91+ cooking, I always have an assortment of foods on me so I haven't really been arsed to mess with my accessories. Maybe one day I'll get around to tweaking it--so long as no one fusses about my WS damage in aby, probly won't worry about that too much for now.

Raist

[RaenRyong]

There must have been like 20 posts calling people "bad" players which is both undescriptive and really just floors the level of the conversation. Inefficient, underperforming, casual may have described the situation better although I am in no way supporting either side with this statement.

I think casual as an implied synonym with bad/inefficient/underperforming is a bit insulting to a casual player. Not gear swapping and learning to gear your jobs is not an example of a casual player - it is an example of a lazy/uncaring/undesirable one.

[CebPtolemy]

I don't even... i got told to check out this thread back on page 4 and assumed it'd die soon after since haste is a mute point... Anyone who has ever used parser knows haste is best for tp... How has this gone for 32 pages? There have always been people who believe what Nature thinks, we just block them out and add them to the many people currently occupying the dunce corner of ffxi. Why the sudden need to feed her? Also Nature, if you're a troll: Bravo, serious achievement stuff in the making here.

But nice guide OP

[Harukusan]

I can't believe I just read 33 pages of this crap hoping to learn something. Not to sound rude, of course, the OP is a nice reference, as well as serious posts that came after it. Something to reflect on when you want to do the math to understand what your current gear is capable of compared to what you could be doing.

The basic recap that everyone should remember is that to maximize your damage output, the first thing you should do is build 26% of haste in your TP gear set. Stats such as accuracy are becoming almost unnecessary, especially in Abyssea. In fact, atmas seem to create a sort of "loophole" in the need for building certain stats for your WS or magic or whatever, further nurturing newer players, leading them to the belief that "gear isn't everything." Let's go back to the old days when doing a 2k+ damage WS meant you were a beast, and not average.

Anyway... Before I go too far off topic and say more than my half-asleep brain urges me to spew, I'll end with this neat little tool that's available free to the public, and doesn't hinder or enhance game-play in any way. It's merely used as a source of information. If you're lazy like me, you could go here: http://ffxicalculator.com/
The calculator does all the math (in terms of delay and accuracy, among other things) for you. Check it out!

[wish12oz]

I was never aware of just how much of an increase in damage moving from 75% to 80% delay reduction was. Thanks for the info.

[Dfoley]

Decided to make an excel sheet to assist the OP in showing this:

Currently its just for mnk/pup, and dual wield. I will add a section later for 2 handers and /sam.

https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&p...NDY0ZWEx&hl=en

Follow that, select file, download original.

Notes:
1)i did haste calcs in % form instead of the 1024 form, I will go back later and correct it but the difference is so marginal it wont change anything more then a few 0.0x%
2) Bard haste is assumed to be 25% (+2 march and af3 gloves)
3) any suggestions on what else to add or any calculations i goofed let me know.

I feel this better shows the difference between 24% haste and 25% haste (gear) since it factors in MA or dual wield, as well spell, songs, and JA

[RAIST]

NICE Dfoley. didn't notice I was so close to capping haste on MNK if I /WHM and haste myself. Guess that explains why MNK is such a hate monger now with AF3 pieces on--and I only have 2 pieces completed so far.

Just a note for the future. When publishing to the web, save those office docs to the older compatability types (File/Save As and pick .XLS/.DOC format and not .XLSX/.DOCX). Not everyone has the newer Office products. I had the add-on conversion packet installed to revert it back to XLS though, but not everyone knows about that.

Raist