Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Greatguardian]

I figured the thread could be used to answer general haste questions..

like would a blitz ring be worth using over a str/dex/acc ring for your particular gear set..

or

how about that ace's helm / askar zuchetto


There are honestly so many haste options out there now.. its hard to figure out what an ideal tp set is..

like do you use zelus tiara for 8 % haste in the head slot.. or go with one of the AF3 helms with 6% haste and acc / str etc.. knowing you can still cap haste in other slots.

Could still discuss specific haste set ups

If this thread was simply questions like those, I'm sure people would be more than happy to answer them. I can take those two if you want:

Ace's/Askar have pretty much no use any more, as the current state of the game has nullified the need for any significant amount of Accuracy gear. In the rare case where you may not be capped at 95% Accuracy on a given mob, changing food from Bison Steak to Marinara Pizza +1 is still significantly better than changing your gear to emphasize Accuracy. Walahra turban, or any higher Haste head will handily destroy Ace's/Askar.

Zelus Tiara vs AF3 helm with 6% Haste and other stats, assuming capped haste in all slots either way: This is a more complicated question that I cannot answer with certainty without being told what job we're talking about, inside/outside Abyssea, and what two full gear sets you're working with. As a general rule, I can say that you should look at what Haste gear you can replace when you go from AF3+2 to Zelus Tiara. If you gain more powerful stats in those now-free slots than you had on your AF3+2 head, then Zelus Tiara should have the advantage. If the stats you gain by freeing up haste slots are less than what you had on your AF3+2, you are probably better off with your AF3+2.

This is assuming that you were capped on gear haste with both sets.

Edit: @Rog, what NM and job combination (capable of using Ace's) may still have low enough Acc with Pizza+1 for Ace's to overtake Turban? Serious question, I didn't think there were many still out there.

[Flunklesnarkin]

If haste is uncapped, blitz is always the best option for your second ring.

No to askar. Ace's is situationally better than turban, depending on acc/haste.

I know that lol.. just saying that would be an example..

but there are also so many ways to cap haste now.. could be some discussion over which haste pieces to use to cap

can be troublesome to decide which pieces to use to cap haste.. when also trying to figure out what to gear for after its capped.. store tp / double atk / subtle blow etc.

so troublesome i haven't bothered yet.. i probably should lol

[Frost]

No. Because even though I don't go out of my way to make a full haste/tp setup, I would never intentionally put all that slow + on me. EVER.

Ok, progress.
The thing is, it's obviously not ALL about haste. Since the post was first posted until this very second, I stated at the bottom:

Please take note however that other stats are extremely important too, and Haste just might make you "miss faster"...

The thing is this, unfortunately, this game is like any other dice and paper game ok? It's about numbers. You roll a 20 sided die and the numbers you throw up are your effectiveness in a group.

I state the following as an illustration, and not an insult in any way shape or form. You are rolling with a six sided dice, at one third the frequency of my thief, which happens to be rolling a solid twenty sided dice where 19/20 of the facets have "20" on them and I get to roll it three times as often.

What do I mean by that?

Roughly, comparing the gear you have versus mine:
Delay wise: I attack at an estimated 81% more times than you,
Frequency wise I'm hitting 24% more frequently than you.
Accuracy wise, versus a VT/IT mob, you'd parse in the high 60's low 70's, to my 92%+

That all said, I hit in total:
207 times in the time it takes you to hit 72 hits.

EVEN IF... I did not swap ANY gear, and I HAPPEN to weaponskill at 1/2 the potency of you, I would STILL out damage you.

Again, not picking on you.

Meanwhile:
I can cast either of my shadows 50% more frequently than you, and I can evade 22% better than you.

Now
That's not even the best case scenario.

If a monster is casting on me, I can swap into a set that mitigates 25% of all magical damage. IN terms of numbers, if I get a Blizaga IV to the face for 1200, it drops it down to to only 900 (Survivable).

When I cast a spell I put on enough evasion to drop the monsters effective accuracy to 20%, +/- 10% depending on the monster's level; ensuring I get the spell off. Mind you I do that while shaving an entire 25% of the actual cast time off the spell.

When I so wish, I can weaponskill in gear that if I were just to change 2 pieces and 2 pieces only I can guarantee a minimum of 15% damage to my weaponskill. if I swap the rest I can add 300% more Str than you're adding, 200% more Dex than you're adding, and for shits and giggles, a splash of Chr, Acc, Att, Triple attack, etc...

Using even basic gear-swaps maximizes your output when called for.

By my roughest of roughest of rough math, I could say I out-damage you on the order of 5:1, all the while keeping myself safe, my party safe, and making sure the mob dies quickly.

I am not an elitist. Anyone who knows me can attest to that. But people should expect better of themselves. Wouldn't you like to up your effectiveness 500% with minimal effort? Or maybe even just 100%? Wouldn't you be pissed if someone you worked with only did 20% of what you did and you get paid the same?

[Ragmar]

If people didn't know the benefits of haste by now they clearly had personal/religious reasons as to abstaining from its use and you should respect that- instead of waving your superiority around like a banner of pompous elitism.

Because someone has personal/religious reasons for abstaining from using haste does not give them or you the right to come into a thread designed to educate people on the benefits of using a propper haste build and muddle it up with drama and stupidity. Go be emo elsewhere.

[Fondle]

mfw i cant hotlink mfw pics

[Yuber]

Frost, man I just wanted to say you're awesome for going through all the trouble to post that and still read all this thread, although it has been entertaining to read through at some points, I loved the "We'll jump off that cliff faster than you because we have haste" comment, you've basically laid out a great explanation of haste that can't really be discussed. Any chances you could crunch some numbers for ATK or Double Attack? Someone in my LS said that adding DA was basically the same for your DPS as adding haste, any idea if that's true?

[Belkin]

You don't have to be elitist to use haste. If you truly believe you are better off not using haste to TP in normal situations, there is no salvation for you.

[Alkalinehoe]

Frost, man I just wanted to say you're awesome for going through all the trouble to post that and still read all this thread, although it has been entertaining to read through at some points, I loved the "We'll jump off that cliff faster than you because we have haste" comment, you've basically laid out a great explanation of haste that can't really be discussed. Any chances you could crunch some numbers for ATK or Double Attack? Someone in my LS said that adding DA was basically the same for your DPS as adding haste, any idea if that's true?

It's not. The more DA you add the less return you get out of it (it's really the opposite of haste).

[Frost]

Frost, man I just wanted to say you're awesome for going through all the trouble to post that and still read all this thread, although it has been entertaining to read through at some points, I loved the "We'll jump off that cliff faster than you because we have haste" comment, you've basically laid out a great explanation of haste that can't really be discussed. Any chances you could crunch some numbers for ATK or Double Attack? Someone in my LS said that adding DA was basically the same for your DPS as adding haste, any idea if that's true?

Double attack works differently. For every percent of DA you add you're taking away form the pool you can add to.... And it only adds a static number.

For instance: If you attack 100 times and 10 of those hits are double attacks, that means you attack 110 times roughly.

If you add 10% more double attack to that, you are adding 10% double attack to 90% of the hits... so 9% DA is added bringing your total attacks out of 100 to 119, this is called "Diminishing returns". (Someone please correct me if I got that wrong)

Where as say, you had 10% haste and added 10% more... Look at the chart on page one... (lol...)

20% DA = 19% more attacks
20% Haste = 25% more attacks.

Make sense?

[Yuber]

Gotcha, that makes perfect sense actually, thanks for the responses!