Haste and You... A guide to the misinformed.

[Zaknafein]

So many good LoLz in this thread! Also picked up nugget about DW. Good stuff. Back to civilizations in an attempt to ease the FF withdrawals. PS: Devs if you take anything away from this thread plz let it be that what ever new content you have planned for 95-99 or end game afterwards plz plz plz let it be outside abyssea. Many players are in serious need of a reality check. Back to basics SE. Back to basics

[Kagato]

Haste is for losers and idiots. Pile on an important stat, like Charisma.

EVERYONE likes Charismatic people! The more CHR you have, the more parties you'll get invited to for exp and events! No one will care what your gear or haste is because everyone will look at you and say "wow. That is one charismatic guy!"

CHR is the way to the future, my friends.

[Vivik]

Haste is for losers and idiots. Pile on an important stat, like Charisma.

EVERYONE likes Charismatic people! The more CHR you have, the more parties you'll get invited to for exp and events! No one will care what your gear or haste is because everyone will look at you and say "wow. That is one charismatic guy!"

CHR is the way to the future, my friends.

I know a few people on my server that think exactly that. These are also the same people that still have to buy maps and need their hand held for everything... Yeah, they're out there...

[Kjara]

I guess monsters have a different taste in fashion than me, because there's no way I can find a man dressed like a sheep "charming" <.<

[Dfoley]

Nice initial post but it leaves a lot out.

1) Those charts/tables for haste assume no dual wield/martial arts which is nice for comparison, but really underestimates the majority of the population. AKA a thf/nin isnt really going from 24 to 25%, they are going from 44 to 45 (made up for example)

2) 80% haste isnt a 400% increase in attack rounds, at 240 dly you have 15 /min, with 80% haste you have 75. Thats a 500% increase. You had the right calculation when you translated it to hits.

The TLDNR version:
Haste at smaller values is pretty crap and you might not notice 22 to 23 % haste. Add on bard songs, whm, and dualwield/martial arts and going from 79 to 80% haste is huge.

[Cream_Soda]

2) 80% haste isnt a 400% increase in attack rounds, at 240 dly you have 15 /min, with 80% haste you have 75. Thats a 500% increase. You had the right calculation when you translated it to hits.

Incorrect. It's a 400% increase.

Let's look at 100 delay.

80% haste

100 x .2 = 20 delay.


Ok, Now, 10 attack rounds before haste.

100 delay x 10 attack rounds = 1000 delay.

How many attacks does 20 delay get in 1000 units of delay?

1000/20 = 50 attack rounds.

50/10 = 500%. 500% isn't the increase. It's 500% of 10.

10 is 100% of 10. The increase from 100% to 500% is 400%

50 is 500% of 10, but it's not a 500% increase to 10. It's a 400% increase of 10.


I don't like how I worded that, so I'll try again.

Let's say 50 = 500%. Let's cut that into 5 equal slices.

10 10 10 10 10. Each slice is 100%

100 delay has one slice of 10.
20 delay has 5 slices of 10

4 slices is the increase. 4 slices is 400%.


Edit:
To make it really simple.

Let's look at 10 and 5.

5 x 2 = 10. 10 is a 100% increase of 5. (because you double 5 to get 10).

10/5 = 200%. It's 200% of 5, but the increase is 100% because 5 is still 100% of 5, which is our base point.

[Rambus]

Incorrect. It's a 400% increase.

Let's look at 100 delay.

80% haste

100 x .2 = 20 delay.


Ok, Now, 10 attack rounds before haste.

100 delay x 10 attack rounds = 1000 delay.

How many attacks does 20 delay get in 1000 units of delay?

1000/20 = 50 attack rounds.

50/10 = 500%. 500% isn't the increase. It's 500% of 10.

10 is 100% of 10. The increase from 100% to 500% is 400%

50 is 500% of 10, but it's not a 500% increase to 10. It's a 400% increase of 10.


I don't like how I worded that, so I'll try again.

Let's say 50 = 500%. Let's cut that into 5 equal slices.

10 10 10 10 10. Each slice is 100%

100 delay has one slice of 10.
20 delay has 5 slices of 10

4 slices is the increase. 4 slices is 400%.


Edit:
To make it really simple.

Let's look at 10 and 5.

5 x 2 = 10. 10 is a 100% increase of 5. (because you double 5 to get 10).

10/5 = 200%. It's 200% of 5, but the increase is 100% because 5 is still 100% of 5, which is our base point.

Guess i was right about pointing out what 400% increase ment

its 40/10 for the increase

you leave out that 10 because your stating the increase, so you cannot include the original vaule

I find this as a troll post:

Also I enjoy using the SEA DAUGHTER aTMA due to the fact my only reliable means to obtain tactical points is the regeneration it offers, would wearing a maximum haste build on my ridill/joyeuse warrior be enough to counteract this "Mountainous Slow" it imposes upon me?

[Rambus]

keep this in mind when you say you have a 400% or 500% ( i'm a bit lost in why the comment but i want to point this fact out to make sure it should be one or the other)

when you say 100% increase it means your total is oringal amount times 2 for outcome , like wise 400% means orginal vaule times 5.

[Tamoa]

It's mathematically proven that capping gear haste will make you a better DD as it will make you deal more damage in the same amount of time as someone with little to no gear haste. How Naturebeckles can even argue with that, is beyond me.

Not using haste gear and not gearswap makes you an inferior DD. In fact it makes you an inferior player as far as performance and efficiency goes, whether you are on a DD job or on a mage job.

The "I don't gear swap because then I blink and mages won't be able to cure me" excuse is pathetic.

[Flunklesnarkin]

I wish there was a way to block a player.. naturebeckles brings absolutely nothing to the discussion of haste.

Are these forums even moderated?