Increase the base Guard proc rate

[Musahashi]

The 1 difference between an actual tank job is that whm's don't have to spend all their energy on 1 player if you have a real tank.

Monk is not a tank, get over it. Monk is, and always will be a DD job.

What has changed though, are people conceptions. Monk has always had the 2nd highest eva stat in the game, so naturally it can evade quite a bit, on top of that it can also counter. So people start to wonder why, and hey presto everyone starts declaring monk tank.... epic fail imho.

Monks high eva stat, right back in the days of only having 6 jobs, would have been purely to help the mages out.
Monks counter ability, is purely oldschool, reincarnated and badly, instated.
Monks high HP is purely oldschool, reincarnated, and to be honest, Square failed altogether with the numbers on every job considering HP/MP/DMG (think about every other FF game.... seen 4x9's in FFXI yet?)

So, monk will only ever be a tank until people start putting 2 Tank atmas on PLD and showing the bandwagon players how to properly tank.

[Captain]

The 1 difference between an actual tank job is that whm's don't have to spend all their energy on 1 player if you have a real tank.

Monk is not a tank, get over it. Monk is, and always will be a DD job.

What has changed though, are people conceptions. Monk has always had the 2nd highest eva stat in the game, so naturally it can evade quite a bit, on top of that it can also counter. So people start to wonder why, and hey presto everyone starts declaring monk tank.... epic fail imho.

Monks high eva stat, right back in the days of only having 6 jobs, would have been purely to help the mages out.
Monks counter ability, is purely oldschool, reincarnated and badly, instated.
Monks high HP is purely oldschool, reincarnated, and to be honest, Square failed altogether with the numbers on every job considering HP/MP/DMG (think about every other FF game.... seen 4x9's in FFXI yet?)

So, monk will only ever be a tank until people start putting 2 Tank atmas on PLD and showing the bandwagon players how to properly tank.

No shit sherlock.

[Cream_Soda]

So, monk will only ever be a tank until people start putting 2 Tank atmas on PLD and showing the bandwagon players how to properly tank.

Tank atma or not, why would you use a pld over a mnk?

If you can keep the monk alive, there is 0 reason to use the job that's going to take a fkton longer to kill the monster.

If you have a mnk tank and it takes you 5 minutes to kill a monster.

Replace the mnk w/ a pld and now it takes 10-15 minutes to kill that same monster.

Why would you ever pick the pld?

[Protey]

Monk has always had the 2nd highest eva stat in the game, so naturally it can evade quite a bit, on top of that it can also counter.

incorrect. NIN has 2nd highest eva (in terms of skill). MNK is tied for 3rd (in terms of skill). Though DNC and PUP have evasion bonus, so MNK is even farther down the list.

[Cream_Soda]

incorrect. NIN has 2nd highest eva (in terms of skill). MNK is tied for 3rd (in terms of skill). Though DNC and PUP have evasion bonus, so MNK is even farther down the list.

He was talking about when the game came out and there were like 6 jobs. I was going to post the same thing until i realized that.

[Loir]

Guard Mastery and Tactical Guard, you crazy

[Loir]

I am still curious what outside of abyssea mob needs a PLD.

[Tezz]

Guard Mastery can i have it?

[Mojo]

DD tanks were superior on most mobs before Abyssea was even implemented, it just took people a while to realize this. I have no idea what you think a 'real tank' constitutes. PLDs have a harder time keeping hate and have very mediocre damage output. A MNK can cap PDT and MDT with macros when needed without swapping out there weapon. A PLD might take a little bit less damage (keyboard little), but it's very much worth the trade off.

[Captain]

DD tanks were superior on most mobs before Abyssea was even implemented, it just took people a while to realize this. I have no idea what you think a 'real tank' constitutes. PLDs have a harder time keeping hate and have very mediocre damage output. A MNK can cap PDT and MDT with macros when needed without swapping out there weapon. A PLD might take a little bit less damage (keyboard little), but it's very much worth the trade off.

Ok so on something like Tiamat or Jormungand You're telling me a mnk can straight tank it while taking minimal dmg and keeping hate? And before you try to tell me "WHO FIGHTS JORM DEEEZ DAYS LOL1" these are just examples of difficult monsters which still require or according to you don't require a pld.