Increase the base Guard proc rate

[Musahashi]

A) Mnk is pretty much the go to tank in this game at the moment and has been a good tank for years.
B) 2.4k by today's standards is nowhere even close to an impressive number for a WS, so I'm not sure why you picked that number.

You need to take some time out of abyssea for a while, most of you do. If your looking for damage values against mobs in the older FFXI areas, you'll find 2.4K WS's tend to draw alot of attention, TK was just an example, it could of been your favourite WS if you like.

In abyssea, everything actually sucks pretty badly, I've never liked abyssea for a few reasons.

1) People who can solo T's in abyssea, might not be able to solo T's in older areas.
2) People think, because they have 4,000 HP, your now an proper tank job...
3) People level monk up, expecting to repeat what all the other monks did in older areas, inside abyssea, well kids, thats not that hard.

So in short, in abyssea, you can do anything no matter how good you are or claim to be, the real test is out in the older, forgotten areas of FFXI.

[Superchicken]

So in short, in abyssea, you can do anything no matter how good you are or claim to be, the real test is out in the older, forgotten areas of FFXI.

what is their outside of abyssea thats even really worth it at this current stage in the game?

[Musahashi]

what is their outside of abyssea thats even really worth it at this current stage in the game?

How about self accomplishment? How about fun?

If your not playing for self accomplishment, and fun, then why are you playing?

[Denabond]

Its funny that I started this thread not because I wanted to be a better tank then pld, but rather to make it worthwhile to skill it for some other reason other then having another blue number in your combat skill list. Mnk has always been a DD, and always will be. Its just seen as a tank atm.

[Superchicken]

How about self accomplishment? How about fun?

If your not playing for self accomplishment, and fun, then why are you playing?

well i dont know about you but self accomplishment is getting the latest gears and equiping your job up. Lets get real this game is a fashion statement and about what gear you have on what job. No one cares you can go out in old areas and go solo sky gods or w/e mob you want to insert cause honestly all that gear is blah at this time in the game. So for people who have been playing this game for a long time abyssea is where the self accomplishment comes, the fun, etc.

And lets get real. MNKs are the tanks in abyssea. Why do you say they aren't, because they dont have MP and that AWESOME cure IV that PLDs have. and you want to talk about tank atmas on mnk, dont even need them. Thats the beauty a monk can tank abyssea with DD atmas on! Oh and you know what a mnk and whm can pretty much take abyssea over its knee and spank it like a bad little kid. So try that with a PLD and a whm, and if you do kill an NM while it took you 15 20 minutes to do it the mnk and whm are on their 3rd or 4th NM fight.

Now don't get me wrong, PLDs are good tanks OUTSIDE abyssea but inside abyssea who needs em? Ask even the best geared PLDs around (and i know a couple on my server that are decked out almaces, aegiss, drings, excals, full af3, full pdt, full mdt, you name it) who tanks abyssea the best and even those die hard PLDs will tell you mnks do, or at least the smart ones will. And even outside abyssea mnks can tank stuff still while being in DD gears! Looks like at the days when 75 was the level cap. What was the big thing people did for gear? Salvage. Who tanked salvage? I think if this was a family feud question the panel would say MNK and those who answered PLD would get he loud buzzer and big red X. Sure PLD could tank salvage but why in your right mind would you do that? I know your answer here "self satisfaction, fun, blah blah" right. Yeah well thats good and all but we are talking efficiency here. In salvage mnk didnt need the magic cell, the mp cell, hell even the weapon cell the mnks were the last to get at least in my group because they didnt need it to function. Just like now a days, you dont need a pld to tank abyssea cause a mnk can tank just fine and can put out way more dmg than a PLD can in the process.

[Neisan_Quetz]

He said TK, and that probably is decent for Tornado Kick... from what I've seen of it anyway. Not that anyone I know outside of exp pts seriously uses that WS, and I can say a lot about Mnks in exp pts that probably breaks the terms of this forum.

[Cream_Soda]

I know what TK stands for. That's a great number for TK, which is why I said WS.

If Tornado kick is the best you have walking into a party, I wouldn't even expect you to pull hate, if you're partying w/ anyone who has razed ruins and a decent crit ws (doesn't even have to be empy; raging rush, evisc, blade: jin, drakesbane etc.), provided said person doesn't suck.

[Neisan_Quetz]

He can pull hate after the top DD is resting from dying from pulling too much hate and having bad healers (had this happen way too much and I didn't even have RR yet, just Sang scythe.. it's seriously that bad in pickups).

[Captain]

isn't too much to ask right?

If they plan on making mnk into a proper tanking type job, then no it isn't too much to ask for, if the game continues to revolve around abyssea though, then mnk needs nothing and poor pld will continue to be useless in comparison to mnk which isn't very fair on a job which was made to tank. And i'm sure there are a lot of plds who are rather butthurt about that lol~

[Cream_Soda]

2) People think, because they have 4,000 HP, your now an proper tank job...

Monk has for a very long time been a very capable tank outside of abyssea, before 4k hp was the norm.