Stop Player Bashing

[Greatguardian]

So, would you tell a WAR without a Ridell or Maneater that they can't party with you in the Wajaom Woodlands bird camps just because they didn't have those?

As has been pointed out dozens of times already, there is a difference between "Having smart gear that's good for the player's means" and "Intentionally using worse gear than the player could have". Walahra Turban and Dusk Gloves are free and 10k-ish respectively, and both handily beat out Aurore head and hands. Aurore feet and legs? Eh, not as huge a deal to me when you've got a newer player, as the alternatives take more effort to get.

Swapping gear is a pretty big deal, too; especially since macros pretty much require just sitting down for 5 minutes, writing them up, and then not having to worry about them for the majority of your playtime.

It's everyone's right to gear however they want. It's also everyone's right to refuse to deal with people who are gearing in a way which would negatively affect their run. I don't see why one is acceptable while another is not.

[Naturebeckles]

As has been pointed out dozens of times already, there is a difference between "Having smart gear that's good for the player's means" and "Intentionally using worse gear than the player could have". Walahra Turban and Dusk Gloves are free and 10k-ish respectively, and both handily beat out Aurore head and hands. Aurore feet and legs? Eh, not as huge a deal to me when you've got a newer player, as the alternatives take more effort to get.

Swapping gear is a pretty big deal, too; especially since macros pretty much require just sitting down for 5 minutes, writing them up, and then not having to worry about them for the majority of your playtime.

It's everyone's right to gear however they want. It's also everyone's right to refuse to deal with people who are gearing in a way which would negatively affect their run. I don't see why one is acceptable while another is not.

I wear the Aurore hat and gloves because they have str dex and/or agi on them with the haste which overall helps thf better than the dusk gloves and walmart turban. (sylph term if nobody else has heard of that before).

I actually had somebody tell me that once after being invited to their party. I was mad they wouldn't let me party just because I didn't have either of those on my War. So, that's why I asked when you don't like players getting mad at you because you don't them play with you if they're poorly geared. Your version of poorly geared is different than other people's version. That was an example.

[Alkalinehoe]

I wear the Aurore hat and gloves because they have str dex and/or agi on them with the haste which overall helps thf better than the dusk gloves and walmart turban. (sylph term if nobody else has heard of that before).

Now see here, you're contradicting the math you had agreed with. If you feel so strongly about this, why not post more indepth on why it's better.

[Greatguardian]

I wear the Aurore hat and gloves because they have str dex and/or agi on them with the haste which overall helps thf better than the dusk gloves and walmart turban. (sylph term if nobody else has heard of that before).

Just for clarification, assuming that you are actually swapping gear for TP and WS, Walahra Turban and Dusk gloves still contribute more damage than Aurore head/hands despite their Str/Dex/Agi; especially in Abyssea where dDex and fStr are capped most of the time.

Edit: Even if you're not swapping gear, Turban/Dusk should still add more damage.

I actually had somebody tell me that once after being invited to their party. I was mad they wouldn't let me party just because I didn't have either of those on my War. So, that's why I asked when you don't like players getting mad at you because you don't them play with you if they're poorly geared. Your version of poorly geared is different than other people's version. That was an example.

I'm not sure I comprehend this entirely. Someone getting mad at me for kicking them for using bad gear is no better than me getting mad at them for having bad gear. I'm not mad. I don't get mad when I see people using bad gear. I usually give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they don't know better. If they want to learn, I'll teach them. If they don't want to learn, I'll ignore them. If they insist that it's their right to do whatever they want, I'll insist it's mine not to have to carry them through whatever I'm doing. Any damage they're losing by not gearing properly has to be made up for somewhere.

[Darka]

I wear the Aurore hat and gloves because they have str dex and/or agi on them with the haste which overall helps thf better than the dusk gloves and walmart turban. (sylph term if nobody else has heard of that before).

I actually had somebody tell me that once after being invited to their party. I was mad they wouldn't let me party just because I didn't have either of those on my War. So, that's why I asked when you don't like players getting mad at you because you don't them play with you if they're poorly geared. Your version of poorly geared is different than other people's version. That was an example.

That's actually an example of choosing something worse intentionally than an easier to obtain piece. Same happened at 75, people using Askar/Ace's/Denali over Turban. 5% Haste > 4% > 3%. It's also free. The Haste alone beats whatever neglegible gain (if any) you're getting from the +DEX. That's why he kicked you.

[Naturebeckles]

That's actually an example of choosing something worse intentionally than an easier to obtain piece. Same happened at 75, people using Askar/Ace's/Denali over Turban. 5% Haste > 4% > 3%. It's also free. The Haste alone beats whatever neglegible gain (if any) you're getting from the +DEX. That's why he kicked you.

I didn't get kicked. He invited me and then changed his mind because I didn't have the maneater or ridell on my war.

To Great Guardian... I'm not sure why it's not obvious why the Aurore is better for thf. Dex and Agi is best base stats for thf for acc, evasion, trick attack, etc. So... I'm surprised that you actually asked me to explain that.

[Nepharite]

I didn't get kicked. He invited me and then changed his mind because I didn't have the maneater or ridell on my war.

To Great Guardian... I'm not sure why it's not obvious why the Aurore is better for thf. Dex and Agi is best base stats for thf for acc, evasion, trick attack, etc. So... I'm surprised that you actually asked me to explain that.

The gain from the stats will be very small compared from the increased attack rate and increased ws rate.

[Greatguardian]

To Great Guardian... I'm not sure why it's not obvious why the Aurore is better for thf. Dex and Agi is best base stats for thf for acc, evasion, trick attack, etc. So... I'm surprised that you actually asked me to explain that.

Hm? No, I didn't ask for an explanation, I had guessed the reasoning. I'm just saying, in response, Turban and Dusk are still better by a fairly large amount whether or not you swap gear at all. They are better by a greater margin if you do swap gear, of course. But then again, everything is.

[Naturebeckles]

Hm? No, I didn't ask for an explanation, I had guessed the reasoning. I'm just saying, in response, Turban and Dusk are still better by a fairly large amount whether or not you swap gear at all. They are better by a greater margin if you do swap gear, of course. But then again, everything is.

oh, well I thought somebody did...

anyway, you're telling me that dusk gloves with hp +20, attack +5 and haste +3% is better than the aurore gloves with str +4, agi +4 and haste +2% even though when I trick attack somebody wearing the aurore gloves will give me more damage?

[Sp1cyryan]

oh, well I thought somebody did...

anyway, you're telling me that dusk gloves with hp +20, attack +5 and haste +3% is better than the aurore gloves with str +4, agi +4 and haste +2% even though when I trick attack somebody wearing the aurore gloves will give me more damage?

Depends if you have better TA hands like the Schutzen Mittens.

Yes, the Dusk are better than the Aurore though as has been stated and given slightly more in depth details.