Stop Player Bashing

[Naturebeckles]

Edit: So this doesn't start another 20-page crap fest, Nature advocated a *Gearing* style which is wrong. Her actual playstyle hasn't come into play, which I think is the reason she's being so defensive. It's a hop, skip, and a jump for most people to go from "Insisting on gearing incorrectly" > "Not wanting to improve" > "Being a bad player for not wanting to get better", but I don't think that line of thought is being followed by some and it is causing some confusion.

Correct and thanks for posting that. 25% slow + is gear is still swinging slower than somebody not wearing slow or haste gear, which does not make it the same. Just... sayin'.

[Greatguardian]

Correct and thanks for posting that. 25% slow + is gear is still swinging slower than somebody not wearing slow or haste gear, which does not make it the same. Just... sayin'.

And 0% Haste gear is still slower than 25% haste gear, which does make it the same. If you're saying that the difference between 25% haste and 25% slow is larger than the difference between 25% haste and 0% haste, you are absolutely correct. However, they both still constitute massive losses in damage. It's like saying getting a 50 on an exam is better than getting a 30 on an exam, when others are trying to say it would be better to just get a 90 on the exam.

[Naturebeckles]

And 0% Haste gear is still slower than 25% haste gear, which does make it the same. If you're saying that the difference between 25% haste and 25% slow is larger than the difference between 25% haste and 0% haste, you are absolutely correct. However, they both still constitute massive losses in damage. It's like saying getting a 50 on an exam is better than getting a 30 on an exam, when others are trying to say it would be better to just get a 90 on the exam.

well, that is true. I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but I really am not bothered by being outperformed by other players who are haste geared. I'm just bothered by that hop, skip, jump thinking you mentioned before.

[Nepharite]

well, that is true. I can't remember if it was this thread or another, but I really am not bothered by being outperformed by other players who are haste geared. I'm just bothered by that hop, skip, jump thinking you mentioned before.

I think what gets people is that unwillingness to improve one self.

[Naturebeckles]

I think what gets people is that unwillingness to improve one self.

I don't get why they care so much that I'm not improving into the kind of player they think I should be.

[Nepharite]

I don't get why they care so much that I'm not improving into the kind of player they think I should be.

It comes off as lazy, people don't like lazy people. I dunno.
Everytime I see a poorly geared person I wonder if they don't know any better, are lazy, or just don't care.
I do worry that new people will look at said poorly geared lv90 and start gearing that way as well.
The current skill level and understanding of game mechanics by the current playerbase is already not where it should be.

[Vinc]

I don't get why they care so much that I'm not improving into the kind of player they think I should be.

Your maximum potential is their maximum potential when you're in their party. Weakest link, etc.

[Alkalinehoe]

I don't get why they care so much that I'm not improving into the kind of player they think I should be.

If you party strictly with friends and they accept how you play, then go ahead and play however you want. But I feel most of the people here, including me, who have tried to help gear yourself better would probably kick you from the party the moment they saw that you were fulltiming your gear. You said it yourself, the math is correct. It shows just exactly how powerful a DD can be when geared properly. Not gearing properly just adds more time to whatever you're trying to do (be it seal parties, dynamis, nyzul isle, HNMs, abyssea, etc) and most people just want to get it over with asap or in the case where you're spamming something like a seal nm, try to get as many kills in before people have to leave.

Yes, we get that having skill in how your job works is important. But having skill and having good gear makes a tremendous difference over someone who has skill but does not gear appropriately.

[Naturebeckles]

If you party strictly with friends and they accept how you play, then go ahead and play however you want. But I feel most of the people here, including me, who have tried to help gear yourself better would probably kick you from the party the moment they saw that you were fulltiming your gear. You said it yourself, the math is correct. It shows just exactly how powerful a DD can be when geared properly. Not gearing properly just adds more time to whatever you're trying to do (be it seal parties, dynamis, nyzul isle, HNMs, abyssea, etc) and most people just want to get it over with asap or in the case where you're spamming something like a seal nm, try to get as many kills in before people have to leave.

Yes, we get that having skill in how your job works is important. But having skill and having good gear makes a tremendous difference over someone who has skill but does not gear appropriately.

I can accept that. this conversation is going much better than it did last night.