Stop Player Bashing

[Arcon]

There is a difference between stating a fact and rubbing it in someone's face, and I would greatly appreciate it if people did not demean the value of the words "Rude" and "Bashing" by applying it to anyone who posts with half an ounce of force. All it does is make it more difficult to identify legitimate complaints.

While I agree with most of what you said and having moderated forums in the past I know it's not easy to judge what should and shouldn't be removed or penalized. However, there have been several actually rude comments on here as well as bashing. There are arguably worse things to do, but that doesn't make them better. Anything you say without disregard for another person's feelings, often even knowing they'll be upset by it, is rude. Being rude alone isn't that bad, I never claimed that, still it's not something I like to see on here. Bashing means continuously and deliberately being rude, hurtful, insulting or offensive to someone, which has also happened in this thread and several others.

Regardless of people's beliefs, making people feel stupid for believing what they do isn't what should be going on here. I know that some things are fact, and that you can't and shouldn't argue with it, but that's not what I'm referring to. If someone says they believe in something and will do it, then that's their own decision. And you can point out that it's wrong, not effective or whatever, and provide arguments for that. Now, that person has two ways to react, either they accept that other people think differently (regardless of what is true or not) and leave it at that, or they keep insisting on their own opinion, disregarding arguments and proofs against it. If a person does the latter, it's them who have crossed the line. I still wouldn't be rude to them, but I don't particularly care if others are, 'cause they're asking for an argument. I think such threads should simply be closed by a moderator because they're bound to escalate.

My problem lies with people being rude to someone even if they don't reply at all. Calling them noobs and stupid, without them ever saying anything again, just for mentioning what they believe, without even trying to spread that to others. And that has happened a lot, in almost every job specific forum I checked and plenty in here too. There's no excuse for that, people need to respect others, regardless of their beliefs.

[Greatguardian]

My problem lies with people being rude to someone even if they don't reply at all. Calling them noobs and stupid, without them ever saying anything again, just for mentioning what they believe, without even trying to spread that to others. And that has happened a lot, in almost every job specific forum I checked and plenty in here too. There's no excuse for that, people need to respect others, regardless of their beliefs.

Having stayed out of most of the job specific forums aside from Monk, I've probably missed most of this. I tend to stick around General Discussion, where for the most part I don't see players getting too disgruntled unless they're on page 2-3 of the same person insisting that "X > Y" when it's easily shown that Y > X.

If a player were to post for the first time in a thread saying something like "I like Askar head", and then not press the issue, I do agree that it would be too harsh to jump on them for it. For the most part, that I've seen, such exclamations are typically answered with something like "Just a heads up, Turban is a lot better than Askar head for damage output." If people want to know, they know. If they don't, they can ignore it and either talk about something else or go to another thread. Starting pointless arguments over little things like that just make it free game, and I suppose I was under the impression a fair amount of people were complaining about being "bashed on" in the middle of such things. Things like Fondle's posts in the Haste thread comparing that mess to psychological abuse just diminish my respect for the legitimacy of many of these complaints.