Stop Player Bashing

[HFX7686]

This game is basically all math. Math doesn't have opinions. It's either right or wrong.

[JagerForrester]

This game is basically all math. Math doesn't have opinions. It's either right or wrong.

Yes, but the ability to get certain pieces of equipment plays a role. It's very grindy to get the best gear, and sometimes players have to get by with what they can attain or afford with the resources they have.

[Nepharite]

Yes, but the ability to get certain pieces of equipment plays a role. It's very grindy to get the best gear, and sometimes players have to get by with what they can attain or afford with the resources they have.

Thats not the argument, the argument is that players have the option between a good piece and bad piece to use. They already have both pieces, but still choose to use the inferior piece.

[HFX7686]

Yes, but the ability to get certain pieces of equipment plays a role. It's very grindy to get the best gear, and sometimes players have to get by with what they can attain or afford with the resources they have.

This is not true. Elitist players don't want you to have the most uber of gear. They want you to have intelligent gear. You don't need to play 12 hours a day to get nice gear, especially now with Abyssea.

As long as you keep working towards good gear and you keep your gear choices that are available to you intelligent no one would have a problem.

It's when people delibrately gimp themselves because they've got some weird idea into their heads that there is a problem.

[JagerForrester]

This is not true. Elitist players don't want you to have the most uber of gear. They want you to have intelligent gear. You don't need to play 12 hours a day to get nice gear, especially now with Abyssea.

As long as you keep working towards good gear and you keep your gear choices that are available to you intelligent no one would have a problem.

It's when people delibrately gimp themselves because they've got some weird idea into their heads that there is a problem.

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

[Nepharite]

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

Its like people using ace's/askar helm over w.turban back in the day. Harder to get gear thats not as good.

[HFX7686]

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

The elitist of the elite probably do have gear like that costs a lot of money. I'm not talking about their gear. I'm saying they're not going to make fun of a casual player if they've got average gear that is sensible and relatively up to date.

Also, I don't think that gear that comes from drops/events is that hard to get. Anyone can read the strategies that are all over the forums and wikis to figure out a decent plan to go after the nicer gear. You don't have to have it all right away if you're a casual player, you can do a little bit here and there (this is especially true with Abyssea but also applies to other places and times - Salvage was only 100 minutes long)

[rog]

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

On a limited budget you should always upgrade things in order of cost efficiency. If you have a kraken club, and an nq ruby ring, you're doing it wrong. However, if you don't have much money, a ruby ring may be a good piece, depending on situation, etc.

If there is something better than what you have, that is easier/cheaper to get, than you are doingitrong. Example: trying to get a dalmatica solely for the refresh, even though pluviale is much easier to get.

Basically, you want to get reasonable NQ gear (which is incredibly cheap), and then upgrade it as you are able to, starting with whatever gets you the most for the least gil/time. At no point should you ever downgrade anything. As long as your base sets are good, this will always be acceptable.

Base sets should be pretty simple: tp should be haste > acc/da > atk > etc. Ws sets should take advantage of appropriate modifiers, and/or atk+acc, as appropriate.

[Naturebeckles]

On a limited budget you should always upgrade things in order of cost efficiency. If you have a kraken club, and an nq ruby ring, you're doing it wrong. However, if you don't have much money, a ruby ring may be a good piece, depending on situation, etc.

If there is something better than what you have, that is easier/cheaper to get, than you are doingitrong. Example: trying to get a dalmatica solely for the refresh, even though pluviale is much easier to get.

Basically, you want to get reasonable NQ gear (which is incredibly cheap), and then upgrade it as you are able to, starting with whatever gets you the most for the least gil/time. At no point should you ever downgrade anything. As long as your base sets are good, this will always be acceptable.

Base sets should be pretty simple: tp should be haste > acc/da > atk > etc. Ws sets should take advantage of appropriate modifiers, and/or atk+acc, as appropriate.

You do know the flame ring is better than the ruby ring and not expensive anymore. right?

[rog]

You do know the flame ring is better than the ruby ring and not expensive anymore. right?

Yes. It was an example. And ruby ring is still acceptable for someone who just got their first job to 75+, and doesn't have much gil. 35k for +1 str is NOT a smart upgrade for someone with extremely little gil/gear.