Stop Player Bashing

[Unaisis]

Whms that go Afk for hours when they think no one is looking are bad players

[Amerlyn]

I could care less whether or not someone believes something which is incorrect. Players can believe that trees are made of bubble gum and rainbows and it doesn't bother me one bit. Just don't expect people to sit back quietly if these players try and *teach others* that Trees are made of bubble gum and rainbows. They're not.

Again that falls for the person being taught to believe or not. I'm sure they will come across someone who will tell them different. At that point they will have to decide for themselves to believe it or not. You stated your opinion on the matter, you tried to set them straight. In the end it all revolves around what they decide to believe. Not sure if you grew up with parents who made you believe in Santa Claus or not, but I'm sure there were people trying to tell you different when you grew up. In the end you made your own decision. This is what they are going to have to decide for themselves. Still no reason to bash them for it. (The topic is stop player bashing - a set rule for the forum).

[Naturebeckles]

Whms that go Afk for hours when they think no one is looking are bad players

Of course... but I was just proving cream soda wrong that people recommending gear choices to other players doesn't make them bad players...

[Naturebeckles]

I could care less whether or not someone believes something which is incorrect. Players can believe that trees are made of bubble gum and rainbows and it doesn't bother me one bit. Just don't expect people to sit back quietly if these players try and *teach others* that Trees are made of bubble gum and rainbows. They're not.

Tree aren't made of bubble gum and rainbows?!? /sadface

[Greatguardian]

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

Gear doesn't make a bad player good, but it makes a good player better.

Great gear is not required to be a good player, no. But a truly good player would research and learn to understand the mechanics behind their job and the game itself and use what gear, within their reach and circumstances, is best.

[Cream_Soda]

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

Actually, I'm going to correct you on this.

Gear they have available and gear they choose are two different things.

For example, Triumph earrings were like 600k on my server back at lv 75. Merman's earrings were 200k.

Merman's earring was a better earring for TP and WS for mnk.

If you chose triumph, then yes, you'd be a bad monk.


I look at it this way.


Gear + Skill > anything else.

Having skill isn't enough. You can be the most skilled person in the world and let's say use all lv 50 gear and you just won't cut it.

You can have the best gear in the game and no skill, and still be horrible.

If you have good gear and know how to play your job, combine the gear and the skill, that's where you get the best players.



Here is my perspective.

Gear = Potential. The better gear you have, the better higher potential you will have as a player. Your skill level = how much of that potential you are reaching.

[Naturebeckles]

Gear doesn't make a bad player good, but it makes a good player better.

Great gear is not required to be a good player, no. But a truly good player would research and learn to understand the mechanics behind their job and the game itself and use what gear, within their reach and circumstances, is best.

I agree with you on this. But... with all the different game opinions out there, many GOOD players are going to still disagree on what gear they think is best based on how they want to play their job. There is enough flexibility in each job to play it in different ways. So, based on my original point that following somebody's opinion on the best gear isn't going to make somebody a worse player... I'm still right.

[Naturebeckles]

Actually, I'm going to correct you on this.

Gear they have available and gear they choose are two different things.

For example, Triumph earrings were like 600k on my server back at lv 75. Merman's earrings were 200k.

Merman's earring was a better earring for TP and WS for mnk.

If you chose triumph, then yes, you'd be a bad monk.


I look at it this way.


Gear + Skill > anything else.

Having skill isn't enough. You can be the most skilled person in the world and let's say use all lv 50 gear and you just won't cut it.

You can have the best gear in the game and no skill, and still be horrible.

If you have good gear and know how to play your job, combine the gear and the skill, that's where you get the best players.



Here is my perspective.

Gear = Potential. The better gear you have, the better higher potential you will have as a player. Your skill level = how much of that potential you are reaching.

I really think you're one of those people who just like to "hear yourself talk". The original intent of my post had nothing to do with a high level whm wearing level 50 gear and discussing how skill alone doesn't make a good player. I never said that to begin with anyway, so I don't even know what you're correcting.

[Cream_Soda]

I really think you're one of those people who just like to "hear yourself talk". The original intent of my post had nothing to do with a high level whm wearing level 50 gear and discussing how skill alone doesn't make a good player. I never said that to begin with anyway, so I don't even know what you're correcting.

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose.

Actually, I'm going to correct you on this.

Gear they have available and gear they choose are two different things.

For example, Triumph earrings were like 600k on my server back at lv 75. Merman's earrings were 200k.

Merman's earring was a better earring for TP and WS for mnk.

If you chose triumph, then yes, you'd be a bad monk.

Everything after that was just a general statement and nothing specifically to you.

[Greatguardian]

I agree with you on this. But... with all the different game opinions out there, many GOOD players are going to still disagree on what gear they think is best based on how they want to play their job. There is enough flexibility in each job to play it in different ways. So, based on my original point that following somebody's opinion on the best gear isn't going to make somebody a worse player... I'm still right.

People gear their jobs and play them in many different ways, this is true. Unfortunately, just because someone does something one way, for whatever reason, does not necessarily make it better or even viable. I could TP in all STR+ gear on my Monk, but I know I would be doing less damage that way, and thus be worse for it.

FFXI math has been figured out for a very long time. It is not difficult at all to look at two different sets and determine which one will do more damage, create more hate, cure more, or enfeeble more accurately or more potently.

Since I've been keeping up with other threads, a specific example which works out fine is your THF. You say you gear for Dex, Agi, and Chr with 0 Haste, and I am given the impression that you do not change gear between TP and Weaponskills, let alone Job Abilities. In general, I can tell you right now hitting faster would do more damage. Changing gear for weaponskills and job abilities (and thus not wearing CHR while TP'ing) would increase your damage. If you want the differences to be quantified, that is shown in numerical format, you can post exactly what it is you do use and I can compare it to an alternate set.

I'm not saying this to "Bash" you, and I do not feel that I am being rude or insulting at all. I am simply offering you the opportunity to improve.