Stop Player Bashing

[Cream_Soda]

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them. For example: A friend of mine likes Ketchup/Hot Sauce with Ramen Noodles he thinks its delicious. I think its stupid and disgusting. But I don't bash him for it. If someone refuses to take your advice on something, don't take offense and start bashing him/her because you think hes and idiot. Just leave it be. Its his/her choice whether they want to take your suggestion/advice. If they start the bashing then ignore them. Theres no reason to keep the drama going and feed them. Let the hostility end with them. Eventually they will get what is coming to them. Eventually they will learn you were correct.

As much as I want people to be polite, and i KNOW its in them. I've been on the internet a long time and know people don't care about someone they can't see/hear and don't know. I just cross my fingers and hope my words will at least have some effect.

That's not really the point.

and that's also not a good comparison.

Your ramen noodle comparison is strictly based on opinion.

Which of the two belts in the black belt vs twilight thread is capable of dealing more damage is a fact (yes you can math it out and see which one is physically better).

When you have one person giving hurtful advice to others, unless they're promptly corrected, someone is going to take that person seriously and become a worse player because of it.


Edit:
after reading your opinion thing, that's not the case at all.

he wasn't saying "I think X is better than Y"

he was making a statement "X deals more damage than Y" as a fact, not as an opinion. And it was an incorrect fact.

[Naturebeckles]

That's not really the point.

and that's also not a good comparison.

Your ramen noodle comparison is strictly based on opinion.

Which of the two belts in the black belt vs twilight thread is capable of dealing more damage is a fact (yes you can math it out and see which one is physically better).

When you have one person giving hurtful advice to others, unless they're promptly corrected, someone is going to take that person seriously and become a worse player because of it.


Edit:
after reading your opinion thing, that's not the case at all.

he wasn't saying "I think X is better than Y"

he was making a statement "X deals more damage than Y" as a fact, not as an opinion. And it was an incorrect fact.

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

[Greatguardian]

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

Gear doesn't make a bad player good, but it makes a good player better.

Great gear is not required to be a good player, no. But a truly good player would research and learn to understand the mechanics behind their job and the game itself and use what gear, within their reach and circumstances, is best.

[Naturebeckles]

Gear doesn't make a bad player good, but it makes a good player better.

Great gear is not required to be a good player, no. But a truly good player would research and learn to understand the mechanics behind their job and the game itself and use what gear, within their reach and circumstances, is best.

I agree with you on this. But... with all the different game opinions out there, many GOOD players are going to still disagree on what gear they think is best based on how they want to play their job. There is enough flexibility in each job to play it in different ways. So, based on my original point that following somebody's opinion on the best gear isn't going to make somebody a worse player... I'm still right.

[Greatguardian]

I agree with you on this. But... with all the different game opinions out there, many GOOD players are going to still disagree on what gear they think is best based on how they want to play their job. There is enough flexibility in each job to play it in different ways. So, based on my original point that following somebody's opinion on the best gear isn't going to make somebody a worse player... I'm still right.

People gear their jobs and play them in many different ways, this is true. Unfortunately, just because someone does something one way, for whatever reason, does not necessarily make it better or even viable. I could TP in all STR+ gear on my Monk, but I know I would be doing less damage that way, and thus be worse for it.

FFXI math has been figured out for a very long time. It is not difficult at all to look at two different sets and determine which one will do more damage, create more hate, cure more, or enfeeble more accurately or more potently.

Since I've been keeping up with other threads, a specific example which works out fine is your THF. You say you gear for Dex, Agi, and Chr with 0 Haste, and I am given the impression that you do not change gear between TP and Weaponskills, let alone Job Abilities. In general, I can tell you right now hitting faster would do more damage. Changing gear for weaponskills and job abilities (and thus not wearing CHR while TP'ing) would increase your damage. If you want the differences to be quantified, that is shown in numerical format, you can post exactly what it is you do use and I can compare it to an alternate set.

I'm not saying this to "Bash" you, and I do not feel that I am being rude or insulting at all. I am simply offering you the opportunity to improve.

[Amerlyn]

I'm not saying this to "Bash" you, and I do not feel that I am being rude or insulting at all. I am simply offering you the opportunity to improve.

I don't see any bash or insult in there. Lol. I think people have a different opinion on what "bashing" is. You gave your opinion on gear, and merely stated you feel u can help her improve. Bashing to me is name calling, demeaning a player, telling them how much they suck, or making them feel like they suck by boasting of how good a player you are. If you insulted him/her, you stated it was not ur intention. Thus there is no "Bashing" in my opinion. Also in my opinion I don't think SE would think so either.

[Naturebeckles]

People gear their jobs and play them in many different ways, this is true. Unfortunately, just because someone does something one way, for whatever reason, does not necessarily make it better or even viable. I could TP in all STR+ gear on my Monk, but I know I would be doing less damage that way, and thus be worse for it.

FFXI math has been figured out for a very long time. It is not difficult at all to look at two different sets and determine which one will do more damage, create more hate, cure more, or enfeeble more accurately or more potently.

Since I've been keeping up with other threads, a specific example which works out fine is your THF. You say you gear for Dex, Agi, and Chr with 0 Haste, and I am given the impression that you do not change gear between TP and Weaponskills, let alone Job Abilities. In general, I can tell you right now hitting faster would do more damage. Changing gear for weaponskills and job abilities (and thus not wearing CHR while TP'ing) would increase your damage. If you want the differences to be quantified, that is shown in numerical format, you can post exactly what it is you do use and I can compare it to an alternate set.

I'm not saying this to "Bash" you, and I do not feel that I am being rude or insulting at all. I am simply offering you the opportunity to improve.

I don't read you that way at all, so you're fine. I do have haste on my thf. It's just not my emphasis. I wear the Aurore Hat and Gloves (when I don't need my TH gloves), the earring from ZM with the enhancing dual wield effect and the Swift Belt. That's all the haste gear I wear.

[Cream_Soda]

I don't read you that way at all, so you're fine. I do have haste on my thf. It's just not my emphasis. I wear the Aurore Hat and Gloves (when I don't need my TH gloves), the earring from ZM with the enhancing dual wield effect and the Swift Belt. That's all the haste gear I wear.

So you're the one the OP is trying to protect.

[Cream_Soda]

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

Actually, I'm going to correct you on this.

Gear they have available and gear they choose are two different things.

For example, Triumph earrings were like 600k on my server back at lv 75. Merman's earrings were 200k.

Merman's earring was a better earring for TP and WS for mnk.

If you chose triumph, then yes, you'd be a bad monk.


I look at it this way.


Gear + Skill > anything else.

Having skill isn't enough. You can be the most skilled person in the world and let's say use all lv 50 gear and you just won't cut it.

You can have the best gear in the game and no skill, and still be horrible.

If you have good gear and know how to play your job, combine the gear and the skill, that's where you get the best players.



Here is my perspective.

Gear = Potential. The better gear you have, the better higher potential you will have as a player. Your skill level = how much of that potential you are reaching.

[Naturebeckles]

Actually, I'm going to correct you on this.

Gear they have available and gear they choose are two different things.

For example, Triumph earrings were like 600k on my server back at lv 75. Merman's earrings were 200k.

Merman's earring was a better earring for TP and WS for mnk.

If you chose triumph, then yes, you'd be a bad monk.


I look at it this way.


Gear + Skill > anything else.

Having skill isn't enough. You can be the most skilled person in the world and let's say use all lv 50 gear and you just won't cut it.

You can have the best gear in the game and no skill, and still be horrible.

If you have good gear and know how to play your job, combine the gear and the skill, that's where you get the best players.



Here is my perspective.

Gear = Potential. The better gear you have, the better higher potential you will have as a player. Your skill level = how much of that potential you are reaching.

I really think you're one of those people who just like to "hear yourself talk". The original intent of my post had nothing to do with a high level whm wearing level 50 gear and discussing how skill alone doesn't make a good player. I never said that to begin with anyway, so I don't even know what you're correcting.