Stop Player Bashing

[Amerlyn]

This in a nutshell. If people constantly post stupid crap and try to say they're right even tho other people have told them they're wrong, *Black Belt vs Twilight Belt Thread for example* then they're going to get what's coming to them.

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them. For example: A friend of mine likes Ketchup/Hot Sauce with Ramen Noodles he thinks its delicious. I think its stupid and disgusting. But I don't bash him for it. If someone refuses to take your advice on something, don't take offense and start bashing him/her because you think hes and idiot. Just leave it be. Its his/her choice whether they want to take your suggestion/advice. If they start the bashing then ignore them. Theres no reason to keep the drama going and feed them. Let the hostility end with them. Eventually they will get what is coming to them. Eventually they will learn you were correct.

As much as I want people to be polite, and i KNOW its in them. I've been on the internet a long time and know people don't care about someone they can't see/hear and don't know. I just cross my fingers and hope my words will at least have some effect.

[Frost]

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them. For example: A friend of mine likes Ketchup/Hot Sauce with Ramen Noodles he thinks its delicious. I think its stupid and disgusting. But I don't bash him for it. If someone refuses to take your advice on something, don't take offense and start bashing him/her because you think hes and idiot. Just leave it be. Its his/her choice whether they want to take your suggestion/advice. If they start the bashing then ignore them. Theres no reason to keep the drama going and feed them. Let the hostility end with them. Eventually they will get what is coming to them. Eventually they will learn you were correct.

As much as I want people to be polite, and i KNOW its in them. I've been on the internet a long time and know people don't care about someone they can't see/hear and don't know. I just cross my fingers and hope my words will at least have some effect.

You should bash him for it. Ketchup is a sin against nature; it and those who consume it should be erased from the earth.

[Urteil]

You should bash him for it. Ketchup is a sin against nature; it and those who consume it should be erased from the earth.

Holy shit, this too.

Yesssss.

[SNK]

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them.

Meaning to them is one thing. Being blantently stupid is another. Cream Soda posted why Twilight Belt on MNK is bad and he still had to deal with a person who's head is up their ass even tho the math was posted right in front of them.

Food and People shouldn't be compared. Food doesn't get to be stupid. It just gets eaten.

[Cream_Soda]

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them. For example: A friend of mine likes Ketchup/Hot Sauce with Ramen Noodles he thinks its delicious. I think its stupid and disgusting. But I don't bash him for it. If someone refuses to take your advice on something, don't take offense and start bashing him/her because you think hes and idiot. Just leave it be. Its his/her choice whether they want to take your suggestion/advice. If they start the bashing then ignore them. Theres no reason to keep the drama going and feed them. Let the hostility end with them. Eventually they will get what is coming to them. Eventually they will learn you were correct.

As much as I want people to be polite, and i KNOW its in them. I've been on the internet a long time and know people don't care about someone they can't see/hear and don't know. I just cross my fingers and hope my words will at least have some effect.

That's not really the point.

and that's also not a good comparison.

Your ramen noodle comparison is strictly based on opinion.

Which of the two belts in the black belt vs twilight thread is capable of dealing more damage is a fact (yes you can math it out and see which one is physically better).

When you have one person giving hurtful advice to others, unless they're promptly corrected, someone is going to take that person seriously and become a worse player because of it.


Edit:
after reading your opinion thing, that's not the case at all.

he wasn't saying "I think X is better than Y"

he was making a statement "X deals more damage than Y" as a fact, not as an opinion. And it was an incorrect fact.

[Naturebeckles]

That's not really the point.

and that's also not a good comparison.

Your ramen noodle comparison is strictly based on opinion.

Which of the two belts in the black belt vs twilight thread is capable of dealing more damage is a fact (yes you can math it out and see which one is physically better).

When you have one person giving hurtful advice to others, unless they're promptly corrected, someone is going to take that person seriously and become a worse player because of it.


Edit:
after reading your opinion thing, that's not the case at all.

he wasn't saying "I think X is better than Y"

he was making a statement "X deals more damage than Y" as a fact, not as an opinion. And it was an incorrect fact.

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

[Greatguardian]

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

Gear doesn't make a bad player good, but it makes a good player better.

Great gear is not required to be a good player, no. But a truly good player would research and learn to understand the mechanics behind their job and the game itself and use what gear, within their reach and circumstances, is best.

[Naturebeckles]

Gear doesn't make a bad player good, but it makes a good player better.

Great gear is not required to be a good player, no. But a truly good player would research and learn to understand the mechanics behind their job and the game itself and use what gear, within their reach and circumstances, is best.

I agree with you on this. But... with all the different game opinions out there, many GOOD players are going to still disagree on what gear they think is best based on how they want to play their job. There is enough flexibility in each job to play it in different ways. So, based on my original point that following somebody's opinion on the best gear isn't going to make somebody a worse player... I'm still right.

[Greatguardian]

I agree with you on this. But... with all the different game opinions out there, many GOOD players are going to still disagree on what gear they think is best based on how they want to play their job. There is enough flexibility in each job to play it in different ways. So, based on my original point that following somebody's opinion on the best gear isn't going to make somebody a worse player... I'm still right.

People gear their jobs and play them in many different ways, this is true. Unfortunately, just because someone does something one way, for whatever reason, does not necessarily make it better or even viable. I could TP in all STR+ gear on my Monk, but I know I would be doing less damage that way, and thus be worse for it.

FFXI math has been figured out for a very long time. It is not difficult at all to look at two different sets and determine which one will do more damage, create more hate, cure more, or enfeeble more accurately or more potently.

Since I've been keeping up with other threads, a specific example which works out fine is your THF. You say you gear for Dex, Agi, and Chr with 0 Haste, and I am given the impression that you do not change gear between TP and Weaponskills, let alone Job Abilities. In general, I can tell you right now hitting faster would do more damage. Changing gear for weaponskills and job abilities (and thus not wearing CHR while TP'ing) would increase your damage. If you want the differences to be quantified, that is shown in numerical format, you can post exactly what it is you do use and I can compare it to an alternate set.

I'm not saying this to "Bash" you, and I do not feel that I am being rude or insulting at all. I am simply offering you the opportunity to improve.

[Amerlyn]

I'm not saying this to "Bash" you, and I do not feel that I am being rude or insulting at all. I am simply offering you the opportunity to improve.

I don't see any bash or insult in there. Lol. I think people have a different opinion on what "bashing" is. You gave your opinion on gear, and merely stated you feel u can help her improve. Bashing to me is name calling, demeaning a player, telling them how much they suck, or making them feel like they suck by boasting of how good a player you are. If you insulted him/her, you stated it was not ur intention. Thus there is no "Bashing" in my opinion. Also in my opinion I don't think SE would think so either.