Stop Player Bashing

[JagerForrester]

This is not true. Elitist players don't want you to have the most uber of gear. They want you to have intelligent gear. You don't need to play 12 hours a day to get nice gear, especially now with Abyssea.

As long as you keep working towards good gear and you keep your gear choices that are available to you intelligent no one would have a problem.

It's when people delibrately gimp themselves because they've got some weird idea into their heads that there is a problem.

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

[Nepharite]

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

Its like people using ace's/askar helm over w.turban back in the day. Harder to get gear thats not as good.

[HFX7686]

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

The elitist of the elite probably do have gear like that costs a lot of money. I'm not talking about their gear. I'm saying they're not going to make fun of a casual player if they've got average gear that is sensible and relatively up to date.

Also, I don't think that gear that comes from drops/events is that hard to get. Anyone can read the strategies that are all over the forums and wikis to figure out a decent plan to go after the nicer gear. You don't have to have it all right away if you're a casual player, you can do a little bit here and there (this is especially true with Abyssea but also applies to other places and times - Salvage was only 100 minutes long)

[rog]

Can you give me an example of intelligent gear? Most elitist/hardcore players I see have gear that cost millions of gil or requires a well-strategic alliance.

On a limited budget you should always upgrade things in order of cost efficiency. If you have a kraken club, and an nq ruby ring, you're doing it wrong. However, if you don't have much money, a ruby ring may be a good piece, depending on situation, etc.

If there is something better than what you have, that is easier/cheaper to get, than you are doingitrong. Example: trying to get a dalmatica solely for the refresh, even though pluviale is much easier to get.

Basically, you want to get reasonable NQ gear (which is incredibly cheap), and then upgrade it as you are able to, starting with whatever gets you the most for the least gil/time. At no point should you ever downgrade anything. As long as your base sets are good, this will always be acceptable.

Base sets should be pretty simple: tp should be haste > acc/da > atk > etc. Ws sets should take advantage of appropriate modifiers, and/or atk+acc, as appropriate.

[Loir]

its not even a point of principles anymore its just plain stubbornness

[JagerForrester]

Its like people using ace's/askar helm over w.turban back in the day.

W.Turban is 5% haste with +30 HP&MP while Ace's is 4% haste with +7ACC, +4STR, and -7EVA. The ACC+7 was a good reason to obtain that piece for the sacrifice of 1% of haste. What's the point of haste if you can't hit? More chances to hit? 1% wasn't worth the difference. Askar Helmet is 4% Haste with +4STR/DEX/VIT. I can consider that a poor choice of wearing with effort to obtain.

On a limited budget you should always upgrade things in order of cost efficiency. If you have a kraken club, and an nq ruby ring, you're doing it wrong. However, if you don't have much money, a ruby ring may be a good piece, depending on situation, etc.

If there is something better than what you have, that is easier/cheaper to get, than you are doingitrong. Example: trying to get a dalmatica solely for the refresh, even though pluviale is much easier to get.

Basically, you want to get reasonable NQ gear (which is incredibly cheap), and then upgrade it as you are able to, starting with whatever gets you the most for the least gil/time. At no point should you ever downgrade anything. As long as your base sets are good, this will always be acceptable.

Base sets should be pretty simple: tp should be haste > acc/da > atk > etc. Ws sets should take advantage of appropriate modifiers, and/or atk+acc, as appropriate.

You never know, they may have gotten lucky enough to own a Kraken Club as a casual player, lol. (Even though I know a party doing that BCNM wouldn't allow someone to keep such an expensive piece for one person unless the party made a deal or the current owner became untrustworthy.) I never considered Dalmatica as a very good item in my opinion, so I'll give you that. And loading up on WS modifiers should be a given too. But you brought up TP>ACC when I believe you should have enough ACC, like I was implying earlier in this post, where you hit 80-100% of the time, then load up on haste.

Sorry that I disagreed with some of the examples, but I am more understanding of what was meant when you said "intelligent" gear. Guess as long as teaching others how to properly gear themselves is understood, they are informed and can make their own decisions based on what is actually beneficial.

[rog]

You never know, they may have gotten lucky enough to own a Kraken Club as a casual player, lol.

Of course. However if they don't sell it, then they are doinitrong. Getting a drop, and then not selling it is exactly the same as buying it. In either case you have x gil less than you could have if you either didn't buy the item, or if you sold it after getting the drop.

But you brought up TP>ACC when I believe you should have enough ACC, like I was implying earlier in this post, where you hit 80-100% of the time, then load up on haste.

I was trying to give a general rule of thumb. If your acc is low, then yes, acc can in fact beat haste.

[Naturebeckles]

W.Turban is 5% haste with +30 HP&MP while Ace's is 4% haste with +7ACC, +4STR, and -7EVA. The ACC+7 was a good reason to obtain that piece for the sacrifice of 1% of haste. What's the point of haste if you can't hit? More chances to hit? 1% wasn't worth the difference. Askar Helmet is 4% Haste with +4STR/DEX/VIT. I can consider that a poor choice of wearing with effort to obtain.


You never know, they may have gotten lucky enough to own a Kraken Club as a casual player, lol. (Even though I know a party doing that BCNM wouldn't allow someone to keep such an expensive piece for one person unless the party made a deal or the current owner became untrustworthy.) I never considered Dalmatica as a very good item in my opinion, so I'll give you that. And loading up on WS modifiers should be a given too. But you brought up TP>ACC when I believe you should have enough ACC, like I was implying earlier in this post, where you hit 80-100% of the time, then load up on haste.

Sorry that I disagreed with some of the examples, but I am more understanding of what was meant when you said "intelligent" gear. Guess as long as teaching others how to properly gear themselves is understood, they are informed and can make their own decisions based on what is actually beneficial.

And this here is a perfect example of gear OPINIONS that don't make people bad players. Just as he said, people need ACC, otherwise haste does no good if they can't hit the mobs. I mean, somebody could have a great informative post about how haste mechanics work. But if everybody on the server all wore the same exact gear, this game would be boring as hell in many ways. That doesn't make me a moron, stupid, an idiot, or a bad player for not doing things a certain way.

[HFX7686]

And this here is a perfect example of gear OPINIONS that don't make people bad players. Just as he said, people need ACC, otherwise haste does no good if they can't hit the mobs. I mean, somebody could have a great informative post about how haste mechanics work. But if everybody on the server all wore the same exact gear, this game would be boring as hell in many ways. That doesn't make me a moron, stupid, an idiot, or a bad player for not doing things a certain way.

He said that if people need accuracy then they can sacrifice the haste. But if you don't have a problem with the accuracy then go with the haste. That isn't an opinion, just another math equation.

Your argument against wearing haste gear is now reduced to not wanting everyone to look the same?

[Naturebeckles]

He said that if people need accuracy then they can sacrifice the haste. But if you don't have a problem with the accuracy then go with the haste. That isn't an opinion, just another math equation.

Your argument against wearing haste gear is now reduced to not wanting everyone to look the same?

Uh, not exactly. But if you had it your way, everybody probably would look the same so everybody plays the same, everybody is happy, everybody is whatever... Yeah. Ok.