Stop Player Bashing

[Vinc]

Even if the majority's opinion says its not. It is still the persons opinion that it is. You can post your opinion on a subject, thats your opinion/suggestion. No one should start bashing another player just to force them to agree.

lol

Itt: facts = opinions.

[SNK]

It generally comes down to this for a lot of people. One of the things I hate is when people try to spread mis-information as fact. A lot of us who have played this game for a long, long time really want to bang our heads on a desk when someone says and I quote...

I would much rather have double attack. However the haste is needed to reach the cap if you use twilight belt which is far superior to BB if you can cap haste.

And...

Now for tanking BB is far superior, but for DD it is not IF you can cap haste without it.

Really? Just really? And some people are going to believe this load of crap because someone pulls some stats out of their ass and then believes it so much that he suckers other people into doing the same retarded crap.

That is why you will never get everyone being flowers and candy all the time because retards like this don't listen when they're wrong.

I love that I can fulltime my AF3+1 Feet because of my Black Belt. It gives me a chubby knowing that I'm over the haste cap punching & kicking the crap out of stuff.~

[Amerlyn]

This is patently incorrect, unfortunately. It's not really of "Well I like Orange more than Yellow", or "Well I like Red more than Blue". If the question is "Which belt contributes more damage to a Monk, Twilight belt or Black belt?" The answer is Black belt. Pure and simple. It is not an opinion, it is an easily provable fact backed by very simple mathematics.

5 > 4 is not an opinion. If it is someone's opinion that 3 is larger than 7, that person is wrong, opinion or not.

Lol, well I never said ones opinion is wrong or not. I just said it is they're opinion. Even if they are proven wrong. It is still they're opinion. They have to learn for themselves. And shouldn't be bashed for. It still leads back to my original topic. A person shouldn't be bashed. There is absolutely no reason to bash anyone other than to deal with your aggrovation or boost your own ego. If someone is being an idiot even if you point out the truth to them you shouldn't bash them just ignore them and move on. Let them fall prey to they're own miscomings if they don't want to listen. How does a child learn what "hot" is? Its not because a grown up tells them. They will keep trying to touch it until they find out it is hot. then they Learn. Sounds like thats what this person needs. If he/she doesn't listen then they simply need to try it and learn they are wrong. Some people you cannot convince unless they do it themselves. And sometimes even then they won't believe it.

[Naturebeckles]

This in a nutshell. If people constantly post stupid crap and try to say they're right even tho other people have told them they're wrong, *Black Belt vs Twilight Belt Thread for example* then they're going to get what's coming to them.

that's not what I mean. I'm all for discussion. Black Belt vs. Twilight Belt is a matter of opinion. I've had people bash my gear and told me I sucked in the game just because they had no other ammo to throw at me and they were just mad at me for desacking them. That doesn't bother me. This one player camping Chonchon (a whm only half gear on) was whining that a bst won the claim and when I defended the bst, the whm told me he had more gil worth in his gear than my entire LS had. That... doesn't bother me.

But it bothers other people. If there's no basis for construction discussion, then you should just shut up because player bashing just serves to boost your own pathetic game self-esteem.

[Alkalinehoe]

Lol, well I never said ones opinion is wrong or not. I just said it is they're opinion. Even if they are proven wrong. It is still they're opinion. They have to learn for themselves. And shouldn't be bashed for. It still leads back to my original topic. A person shouldn't be bashed. There is absolutely no reason to bash anyone other than to deal with your aggrovation or boost your own ego. If someone is being an idiot even if you point out the truth to them you shouldn't bash them just ignore them and move on. Let them fall prey to they're own miscomings if they don't want to listen. How does a child learn what "hot" is? Its not because a grown up tells them. They will keep trying to touch it until they find out it is hot. then they Learn. Sounds like thats what this person needs. If he/she doesn't listen then they simply need to try it and learn they are wrong. Some people you cannot convince unless they do it themselves. And sometimes even then they won't believe it.

The OP of that topic was pretty much covering his ears and saying, "La la la la." He shouldn't be receiving sympathy from anyone for getting bashed.

[Cream_Soda]

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them. For example: A friend of mine likes Ketchup/Hot Sauce with Ramen Noodles he thinks its delicious. I think its stupid and disgusting. But I don't bash him for it. If someone refuses to take your advice on something, don't take offense and start bashing him/her because you think hes and idiot. Just leave it be. Its his/her choice whether they want to take your suggestion/advice. If they start the bashing then ignore them. Theres no reason to keep the drama going and feed them. Let the hostility end with them. Eventually they will get what is coming to them. Eventually they will learn you were correct.

As much as I want people to be polite, and i KNOW its in them. I've been on the internet a long time and know people don't care about someone they can't see/hear and don't know. I just cross my fingers and hope my words will at least have some effect.

That's not really the point.

and that's also not a good comparison.

Your ramen noodle comparison is strictly based on opinion.

Which of the two belts in the black belt vs twilight thread is capable of dealing more damage is a fact (yes you can math it out and see which one is physically better).

When you have one person giving hurtful advice to others, unless they're promptly corrected, someone is going to take that person seriously and become a worse player because of it.


Edit:
after reading your opinion thing, that's not the case at all.

he wasn't saying "I think X is better than Y"

he was making a statement "X deals more damage than Y" as a fact, not as an opinion. And it was an incorrect fact.

[Greatguardian]

Lol, well I never said ones opinion is wrong or not. I just said it is they're opinion. Even if they are proven wrong. It is still they're opinion. They have to learn for themselves. And shouldn't be bashed for. It still leads back to my original topic. A person shouldn't be bashed. There is absolutely no reason to bash anyone other than to deal with your aggrovation or boost your own ego. If someone is being an idiot even if you point out the truth to them you shouldn't bash them just ignore them and move on. Let them fall prey to they're own miscomings if they don't want to listen. How does a child learn what "hot" is? Its not because a grown up tells them. They will keep trying to touch it until they find out it is hot. then they Learn. Sounds like thats what this person needs. If he/she doesn't listen then they simply need to try it and learn they are wrong. Some people you cannot convince unless they do it themselves. And sometimes even then they won't believe it.

I could care less whether or not someone believes something which is incorrect. Players can believe that trees are made of bubble gum and rainbows and it doesn't bother me one bit. Just don't expect people to sit back quietly if these players try and *teach others* that Trees are made of bubble gum and rainbows. They're not.

[Amerlyn]

Even though this Black Belt vs. Twilight belt thing is being used as an example. The post seems to slowly be getting off topic. The discussion is this: Player Bashing shouldn't be done.

In fact it shouldn't even be discussed. SE has made it a rule. But as with real life, people ignore and push the rules. I can think of no real reason for anyone to be bashed on here. No matter how "stupid" the comment. Just ignore them if u can't get through to them.

[Naturebeckles]

That's not really the point.

and that's also not a good comparison.

Your ramen noodle comparison is strictly based on opinion.

Which of the two belts in the black belt vs twilight thread is capable of dealing more damage is a fact (yes you can math it out and see which one is physically better).

When you have one person giving hurtful advice to others, unless they're promptly corrected, someone is going to take that person seriously and become a worse player because of it.


Edit:
after reading your opinion thing, that's not the case at all.

he wasn't saying "I think X is better than Y"

he was making a statement "X deals more damage than Y" as a fact, not as an opinion. And it was an incorrect fact.

People aren't worse players because of the gear they choose. They're worse because of how they play. Whms that don't do anything but cast cure, no matter how great the gear they have on are still bad Whms.

[Vinc]

Even though this Black Belt vs. Twilight belt thing is being used as an example. The post seems to slowly be getting off topic. The discussion is this: Player Bashing shouldn't be done.

It's getting off topic to prove a point. If people can't understand basic things, like the difference between a fact and an opinion, why would you expect bashing to stop?