Stop Player Bashing

[Corres]

oh oh Bieber might get banned!
he said the bad word: Isladar

[GlobalVariable]

You know who the worst ones are? People who pretend they were "bashed" when they were being jerks themselves are the worst of the worst. They ruin things for everyone and make it harder for legitimate complaints to be heard by the mods/admins.

People who deliberately walk the fine line of not actually breaking the rules are just as bad as the people who occasionally do. They intimidate many nice players who then are too scared to post suggestions 'cause they fear being bashed and made fun of.

Also applies to being painted a villain - the knowledgeable folks will get run off by posters who who troll/flame bait them then start hiding behind the rules or pretend they were attacked.

I hate back-seat moderators to - people that try to act like they are one of the staff but aren't.

[Amerlyn]

Off topic myself a bit, but would like to point out that this thread, which was created in the purpose of backing up a set rule is getting more Views than the actual forum rule sticky in this section. 3600 views on my thread, only 243 on the forum sticky. I would think that was an important forum to read. Just felt like pointing out. I know no one is concerned with rules... <.<

[Captain]

Ironic, seeing how they're all just as bad. BG is completely worthless for finding any kind of useless information (and their wiki is even worse), 'cause you have to sift through 500 pages of garbage, people being stupid, insulting, trolling and just random without any kind of actual contribution to the topic to just find one remotely useful sentence. Which also explains why they mock this official forum, 'cause it's a gathering place for all narcissistic elitists who believe they're better than anyone else and have to mock other people (whether they're right or wrong) to feel better about themselves.

FFXIAH is still ok imo, although many people there don't bother as much with ingame details as they do on BG. It still has its fair share of trolls and unhelpful elitists, which makes it very unfriendly for new people to join in.

KI was dead last time I checked, ZAM I hear isn't far from it, but I haven't been around much on either to make a statement I won't regret later. But from what I heard the situation isn't much better.

The difference between these forums and others out there is simply that this is official, which makes it attractive to people who previously didn't bother. And yes, while it does encourage some people to let their lame ideas surface, who otherwise wouldn't even dare to post, it also encourages people who are afraid of getting bashed on other forums, by the aforementioned elitist crowd, to present their smart ideas. And contrary to what people have mentioned here, there definitely are good ideas here, which the devs should not overlook. Every job forum I've checked so far has had at least one good, well thought-out idea for that particular job, and these general/mission/battle forums also had several good ideas each. There were lots of good ideas which SE would otherwise completely overlook, which is why I think bashing people on here is such a shame. Finally there's an outlet for useful ideas, where people can contribute something great to the game, something that would improve gameplay for everyone, and then those people get discouraged 'cause they see others getting thrashed, insulted and completely talked down for voicing their opinion.

Yes, there's some pretty bad ideas in here. You see it best in the job forums, where people suggest things to upgrade their favorite job for no particular reason. But those threads and posts will be forgotten quickly. What sticks around are things people care about, things people find worth discussing and implementing.

These forums have a potential of reaching higher than BG, AH, KI, ZAM and any others ever could. And people who spend their belittling these forums are one of the main things that's wrong with it, because those are usually the people that don't take people seriously or talk down on their ideas, or even the people themselves, because they don't realise that potential.

Also, can we please stop with the haste/gear debate? At least 80% of this thread is off-topic because of it.

/thread rly, but on another note a thread like this is just screaming for an argument lul it's not something that can be discussed without there being a bunch of QQing on each side and thus it's no longer a quiet discussion but QQ for all. So the best thing would be to just have something like this stickied by GMs on each section of the forum to let BASHERS be warned.

[Greatguardian]

You know who the worst ones are? People who pretend they were "bashed" when they were being jerks themselves are the worst of the worst. They ruin things for everyone and make it harder for legitimate complaints to be heard by the mods/admins. Also applies to being painted a villain - the knowledgeable folks will get run off by posters who who troll/flame bait them then start hiding behind the rules or pretend they were attacked.

I hate back-seat moderators to - people that try to act like they are one of the staff but aren't.

^. If you antagonize someone, they are going to respond in kind. You can't waltz into an informative thread, say "lol you guys are nerdz..." and then get mad when people jump on you =/.

+1 for armchair economists who think their high school macro-econ class makes them expert enough to tell the Community Team how the game needs to develop in order to keep players.

[Amerlyn]

GG, hes upset at me. B/c i said in my opinion an argument based on laziness is invalid. Thinking it a hassle to turn off/on a filter with a simple command sounds like laziness to me. That if a player is gonna disagree with an idea just because on that detail they should at least argue an alternate suggestion and not just dismiss an entire idea b/c of it. He took offense to my opinion b/c he considers himself in the group i labeled lazy. I apologized for it b/c I not only was i tired when I posted the comment but i was border lined bashing players with my opinion. I tried to continue the conversation with him by explaining my reasoning behind my opinion and by informing him I do not see him in set group (i truely don't). I guess i'm bad at explanations b/c he followed me here to harass me bout it. And obviously didn't except my apology. Feel free to read it though, its the last couple pages of "Server-wide Chat Channel". Wouldn't mind your thoughts on the situation. In the end I gave up on trying to explain my reasoning in hopes he would come to understand i meant no offense. But he continued so I decided to put him on my ignore list.

Although I do appreciate that he didn't name names in the post. He is keeping it civil in here. He also does give sound advice, I have seen some of his arguments on other posts. I agreed with most. So maybe it was the way I handled the situation. If so i do apologize again.

This post is entirely off topic, I do hope they install some kind of messaging system soon so we can kinda keep these threads on topic and take arguements to private.

[GlobalVariable]

The truth can be read on the haste thread if anybody wants to go read all the nonsense. yes. My first post on the thread was a trollish statement.
So yes, you did in fact initiate the trolling on the haste thread.

So yes, you did in fact initiate the trolling on the haste thread.

But after hours of the arguing, the first person I said sounded stupid was the one who said that anybody who didn't wear haste gear was the same as somebody who wears slow gear. And I said that anybody who agreed with that statement was an idiot. I was trying to keep my cool and argue from experience/perspective for a long time before that point. And reading that as proof that I was stupid as a player for not wearing a bunch of haste gear just pushed that last button of mine. I'm sorry if anybody read my very first post as an insult or as bashing. it wasn't meant to be read that way other than to poke fun at "haste whores". But to outright lie that the troll started name calling and bashing first? That's hilarious. I never once in that entire thread told somebody else that their game play was wrong. I spent that time defending my own decision of game play style, not putting everybody else down.

You advocated a play style that is outright wrong and was proven wrong multiple times by multiple people. At this point you went bonkers and started accusing everyone of bashing you and being a troll because they were explaining why you were wrong. You have equated people correcting your misinformation with insults and put-downs.

Tell me that doesn't look like what I was talking about.

I guess i'm bad at explanations b/c he followed me here to harass me bout it.

For the love of god put me on your ignore list.

[Vinc]

Wall of text.

It's so easy for you to defend a plethora of terrible ideas, and blame the issue with this forum on the "elitist jerks" who have nothing better to do but to put down ignorance.

Only when the good ideas are put down should you jump in and white knight your posters, because when you defend people who are absolutely defiantly incapable of accepting logic (see: beck), you label your opinions as worthless. If you do nothing but attack the individuals who have provided most of the knowledge available about the game, we won't get anywhere. The problem is not only "those elitist jerks", it's everyone suggesting horrible ideas and the people supporting them. It doesn't matter how many good ideas there are, if they are all hidden under a bunch of terrible ones why would SE bother reading through it all? Stop supporting those who make the opinions of NA's look like trash. Those who submit terrible ideas, and refuse to let go of it when reason is given for why it is bad are the problem.

Also, you are correct in saying "seeing how they're all just as bad. BG is completely worthless for finding any kind of useless information".

[Anucris]

just gonna say I agree with the OP here. plain and simple. I've even had sarcastic/rude comment on a very normal post I made and its just irritating.

[Dale]

just gonna say I agree with the OP here. plain and simple. I've even had sarcastic/rude comment on a very normal post I made and its just irritating.

Welcome to the world of internet forums Anucris. Don't worry, you will become numb to it after awhile lol