Stop Player Bashing

[SNK]

What planet are you from where their internet doesn't breed people who constantly act like ***?

[Krystal]

*hides her batt* oh darn....:P

[Greatguardian]

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but the overwhelming majority of my posts have been sincerely nice. However, I will say one thing, the few mean-esque posts I've made were definitely not out of the blue or because someone disagreed with me.

I could care less how good of a player someone is, to be honest. If anything, I've often found myself posting in the defense of weaker players on this forum. However, it does irritate me when posters claim to be "Elite" in order to add weight to their arguments and suppress everyone else. I may consider myself a high tier player, but that simply means I may have a different perspective on things; not that my view is more important than those of everyone else. When certain players try to do this, calling themselves elite (especially when they're not) and using that as the entire basis of attacks on others or to add weight to their views, I will most certainly call them out on it.

Everyone starts out with respect. With well thought out posts, intelligent discussion, civil argument (even when I'm wrong), or other meaningful contributions to the community, respect can be gained. With trash posts, caps lock or bolded ranting at others for not agreeing with them, or basically anything Starcade's said, respect can be lost. I cannot apologize for being stern with players who have chosen to demean themselves in such a way. I'll gladly have a civil discussion with anyone who wants one, but I won't waste my time putting well thought out posts together if the recipient isn't going to read it anyways.

[Amerlyn]

This in a nutshell. If people constantly post stupid crap and try to say they're right even tho other people have told them they're wrong, *Black Belt vs Twilight Belt Thread for example* then they're going to get what's coming to them.

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them. For example: A friend of mine likes Ketchup/Hot Sauce with Ramen Noodles he thinks its delicious. I think its stupid and disgusting. But I don't bash him for it. If someone refuses to take your advice on something, don't take offense and start bashing him/her because you think hes and idiot. Just leave it be. Its his/her choice whether they want to take your suggestion/advice. If they start the bashing then ignore them. Theres no reason to keep the drama going and feed them. Let the hostility end with them. Eventually they will get what is coming to them. Eventually they will learn you were correct.

As much as I want people to be polite, and i KNOW its in them. I've been on the internet a long time and know people don't care about someone they can't see/hear and don't know. I just cross my fingers and hope my words will at least have some effect.

[Frost]

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them. For example: A friend of mine likes Ketchup/Hot Sauce with Ramen Noodles he thinks its delicious. I think its stupid and disgusting. But I don't bash him for it. If someone refuses to take your advice on something, don't take offense and start bashing him/her because you think hes and idiot. Just leave it be. Its his/her choice whether they want to take your suggestion/advice. If they start the bashing then ignore them. Theres no reason to keep the drama going and feed them. Let the hostility end with them. Eventually they will get what is coming to them. Eventually they will learn you were correct.

As much as I want people to be polite, and i KNOW its in them. I've been on the internet a long time and know people don't care about someone they can't see/hear and don't know. I just cross my fingers and hope my words will at least have some effect.

You should bash him for it. Ketchup is a sin against nature; it and those who consume it should be erased from the earth.

[Greatguardian]

There's a huge difference between someone liking ketchup and ramen together, and someone telling others that Twilight belt is better than Black belt for Monk. It isn't. One is an opinion, the other is simply false.

[Amerlyn]

There's a huge difference between someone liking ketchup and ramen together, and someone telling others that Twilight belt is better than Black belt for Monk. It isn't. One is an opinion, the other is simply false.

Not completely correct. In the one persons opinion it is better, in the others it isn't. It still revolves around a players opinion. Even if the majority's opinion says its not. It is still the persons opinion that it is. You can post your opinion on a subject, thats your opinion/suggestion. No one should start bashing another player just to force them to agree. Make your opinion and let them figure it out for themselves. Or continue to discuss the opinions w/out bashing, like we are now. I'm not going to force my opinion on you, just hope that you take my words into consideration.

[Greatguardian]

Not completely correct. In the one persons opinion it is better, in the others it isn't. It still revolves around a players opinion. Even if the majority's opinion says its not. It is still the persons opinion that it is. You can post your opinion on a subject, thats your opinion/suggestion. No one should start bashing another player just to force them to agree. Make your opinion and let them figure it out for themselves. Or continue to discuss the opinions w/out bashing, like we are now. I'm not going to force my opinion on you, just hope that you take my words into consideration.

This is patently incorrect, unfortunately. It's not really of "Well I like Orange more than Yellow", or "Well I like Red more than Blue". If the question is "Which belt contributes more damage to a Monk, Twilight belt or Black belt?" The answer is Black belt. Pure and simple. It is not an opinion, it is an easily provable fact backed by very simple mathematics.

5 > 4 is not an opinion. If it is someone's opinion that 3 is larger than 7, that person is wrong, opinion or not.

[SNK]

It may be stupid to you and other people, but might have meaning to them.

Meaning to them is one thing. Being blantently stupid is another. Cream Soda posted why Twilight Belt on MNK is bad and he still had to deal with a person who's head is up their ass even tho the math was posted right in front of them.

Food and People shouldn't be compared. Food doesn't get to be stupid. It just gets eaten.

[JagerForrester]

I'm just going to stand in the middle and say all equipment is situational. But I do feel MNKs should try to aim for Black Belt because of the 5% more haste plus Subtle Blow and Physical Defense Down is pretty good for attacking fast, giving less TP to monsters, and getting some defense to boot. Twilight Belt is given to other jobs and is one of the rewards to the Abbysea quests/storyline, which may serve as why Twilight Belt is not as great as the HNM/KSNM trials of the Black Belt.