any of the new spells worthwhile?

[doctorugh]

You're horrendously mistaken.

KParser is up and running, people are free to check for themselves I suppose.

[Prothscar]

Do it against something worthwhile, I guarantee that Goblin Rush and QC won't be hitting harder than Quadrastrike. Access to Chant du Cygne also increases the value of Amorphic Spikes. Outside of those situations, unless you're using Minikin Monstrosity in outdated content, you wouldn't really be using and of these spells outside of a JA unless zerging down the last 20% of a monster's HP for one reason or another, 'cause Delta Thrust and Heavy Strike are infinitely more tactile than any of the four.

[doctorugh]

Well for comparisons sake, let me clarify my position:

High Def or High Level mob (outside abyssea)no CA or Efflux: GR (which gets a 35-40% attack bonus) > QC > QS (no crit without CA,Efflux) > Amorphic

High Def/High Lvl (outside, with CA/Efflux): QS > QC = GR > Amorphic

Lower lvl/def (but not a too-weak mob where the attack bonus from GR does nothing), no CA/Efflux: QC > GR > QS = AS

Lower lvl/def w/ CA/Efflux: QC > QS > GR > AS


And I agree that Delta Thrust and Heavy Strike are the most efficient. Heavy Strike with an acc build will compete with the spell above also.


Basically AS is only for darkness, otherwise its spell damage fails in every other senario.
QS has applications, but in situations where it would beat QC, typically switching to a nuking setup would be more ideal.

[Prothscar]

You're wrong on several counts, and missing information.

1) Goblin Rush's attack bonus is 25%.
2) Quadratic Continuum's attack bonus is 25%.
3) QC is not very much stronger than Amorphic.
4) Amorphic very likely receives a substantial attack bonus. I have not finished testing yet, however signs point toward at least 35%.

You'll never want to be using any of these spells without Efflux or Chain Affinity. QS is ahead of any of these four spells with either of those abilities, provided you have at least 100TP with Chain Affinity+Enchainment. Amorphic Spikes is superior to Goblin Rush in any possible situation, and more efficient than Quadratic Continuum.

3.75fTP 30%STR 30%DEX v. 5fTP 20%DEX 20%INT

[doctorugh]

1) Goblin Rush's attack bonus is 25%.

It really is more. I've done a fair amount of testing on it (roughly 1000 casts on the same mob/lvl). You need to find a regular mob with alot of defense, because GR will cap attack on most exp mobs. Or do what I did by gimping skill and STR to lower your att during testing.

4) Amorphic very likely receives a substantial attack bonus. I have not finished testing yet, however signs point toward at least 35%.

It certainly doesn't get that much bonus w/o CA/Efflux, I did test that; with.....IDK, I'll take your word for it. May work like Vertical Cleave in this respect. If you are doing alot more testing, try to determine +att at various TP levels. I'll take another look at the spell in the capacity of CA/Efflux.


EDIT***Just tested AS a few with CA/Efflux, does certainly get attack bonus and likely an fTP boost as well, the numbers weren't possible with simply capping attack***
Will do extensive testing on some too weak to see if there is an fTP bump, tommorrow when im not dog tired.

[dragoon_apprentice]

Do it against something worthwhile, I guarantee that Goblin Rush and QC won't be hitting harder than Quadrastrike. Access to Chant du Cygne also increases the value of Amorphic Spikes. Outside of those situations, unless you're using Minikin Monstrosity in outdated content, you wouldn't really be using and of these spells outside of a JA unless zerging down the last 20% of a monster's HP for one reason or another, 'cause Delta Thrust and Heavy Strike are infinitely more tactile than any of the four.

we all know that blue mage outside off abyessea has limited mp.

if you refer to abyessea as outdated content, what are you doing exactly where u are using delta thrust and heavy strike so much? people do "outdated" content all the time. ( i guess you are getting your +5 armor! ) VW u sit there procing, and with access to: daul weild 3, double attack + triple attack store tp 2 all at once with almace khanda chante du cynge spam and amporhic spikes darkness for outside, is heavy strike delta spam then resting for mp really still the way to go??

i hope u have almace 90, and any other lvl 90 empys and/or ochain that u want already before saying aby is outdated lol

also, tactile means that it feels good when u touch it. u meant tactical i guess.

[Defiledsickness]

amorphic is about all i've been using since i've gotten it. havent tried quad much at all. barbed sits next to whirl of rage and sudden lunge in my macro book (and i use it far more often).

for unbridled i have used Bilgestrom the most but havent noticed any benefit of doing so. bloodrake hasnt done over 800 for me yet, but i didnt use a gear swap first i just hit unbridled wearing w/e i had on (probably haste gear). am happy to try it again after reading its one of our most powerful.

[dragoon_apprentice]

the +2 armor that helps chain affinity and efflux and going 4/5 enchainment will help your bloodrake numbers get ~1500, and other spells as well will get much more benefit from the tp bonus. i like 1/5 diffusion for pyric bulwarkga and hardenshellga

[Prothscar]

we all know that blue mage outside off abyessea has limited mp.

if you refer to abyessea as outdated content, what are you doing exactly where u are using delta thrust and heavy strike so much? people do "outdated" content all the time. ( i guess you are getting your +5 armor! ) VW u sit there procing, and with access to: daul weild 3, double attack + triple attack store tp 2 all at once with almace khanda chante du cynge spam and amporhic spikes darkness for outside, is heavy strike delta spam then resting for mp really still the way to go??

i hope u have almace 90, and any other lvl 90 empys and/or ochain that u want already before saying aby is outdated lol

also, tactile means that it feels good when u touch it. u meant tactical i guess.

Abyssea is outdated. Anything outside of Abyssea, or even inside of Abyssea if you have an Almace and are using proper atmas, will favor Heavy Strike and Delta Thrust whenever you're using physical spells in terms of efficiency. The proccing issues in Voidwatch have been, for the most part, mitigated by the new periapt that lists which type of magic the monster is vulnerable to. On the monsters that are resistant to magical damage, I'll toss aside Dark orb, Everyone's grudge, Regurgitation, and Corrosive ooze in favor of physical spells such as Delta Thrust and Heavy Strike, and there are plenty of those monsters within Voidwatch.

Khanda is useless. If you have to rest for MP after using Delta Thrust and Heavy Strike then I don't know what to tell you, but I would suggest you reconsider your playstyle.

Not having every empyrean weapon does not make Abyssea any less outdated, it is outdated content.

And yes, tactical. It was actually meant to say "tactically superior," so not sure why I said tactile. FFXI: Tactile Feedback Edition coming to iPhone. wait...

[hideka]

btw Requiescat opens darkness for Bloodrake, ive seen upwards of 3k blood rakes in abyssea, and 2k outside.