Quote Originally Posted by Ilax View Post
Relative point of view, HNM, Dynamis, Sky, Einherjar, ZNM and so on, never been hardcore. in fact, FFXI never been a hardcore game the way you state it, the only hardcore part of it was how long it take you to get your stuff done [hamster wheel].

If you take VW, then yes, you can apply your analogy and try to "low man it" if you like it hardcore, i guaranty you a great time, if is the challenge that you looking for. The only difference really is how you could solo Genbu for 12h long blocking every other member. Old content was always about cock blocking everyone, good thing SE removed that part of the game.

So is VW hardcore? Yes it is... due to Drop rate, and due to how hard that would be to low man. No matter how you look at it, i do not share your idea at all, specially when a group of 18 player with Empy + ochain + aegis + relic hit the floor. If that is not hardcore for you, well elaborate more what you think that should be "hardcore".
6 maning gods and omega/utma was there to prove how good you were when a single mistake would wipe your group. In a 18 man fight a single mistake could be over looked if even noticed. Anyone could win a fight if you could keep throwing bodys at it not everyone could kill a mob with 6 people. Now what you have is doing a fight over and over with little risk and it becoming a boring grind. There is a balance between time sink and completion and Tanaka and his kind have no idea how to get there.

When it becomes do we have the right jobs to get all the lights some might have a chance at getting gear and not do we have the right PEOPLE to get the win the game is no longer interesting. When PUGs are doing the fights and winning with just who ever walks up or WoE mess something is wrong with the game. I willing to bet that all the VWNM could be beaten with a well balanced group with players that can listen and work together but what reason do they have to do it.