After 7 years...

[Ahrana]

Honestly I've just become bored with the same content day in and day out. At 75 cap we had a lot of things we could do every night:

Dynamsis
Limbus
Einherjar
ZNM's
Nyzul/Assaults
Salvage
Burning circles (Bahamut V1/2, KS99's, etc)
Sky
Sea

Compare that to:
VW
Abyssea
WoE

I've burned out of these activities, they're fun for a while but there's little variety anymore. Honestly they really need a full expansion on par with CoP or ToAU to bring something fresh to the table, instead of just releasing mini-expansions and boring fight systems in the same areas we've been in since 2004.

[Ilax]

There is NOTHING hardcore about the fights or any of the content outside of drop rates. If that is you idea of hardcore then wow. I remember a time when lowmaning something was the only way to prove you were hardcore. Everything in the(not including the things even the "hardcore elilte" couldn't beat") game back at 75 could be beaten with the tried a true body toss. The fact that they force you to take 18, theres no point in lowmaning the hard fights to prove yourself. Also that was the game pre-abyssea too. Take off the glasses.

Relative point of view, HNM, Dynamis, Sky, Einherjar, ZNM and so on, never been hardcore. in fact, FFXI never been a hardcore game the way you state it, the only hardcore part of it was how long it take you to get your stuff done [hamster wheel].

If you take VW, then yes, you can apply your analogy and try to "low man it" if you like it hardcore, i guaranty you a great time, if is the challenge that you looking for. The only difference really is how you could solo Genbu for 12h long blocking every other member. Old content was always about cock blocking everyone, good thing SE removed that part of the game.

So is VW hardcore? Yes it is... due to Drop rate, and due to how hard that would be to low man. No matter how you look at it, i do not share your idea at all, specially when a group of 18 player with Empy + ochain + aegis + relic hit the floor. If that is not hardcore for you, well elaborate more what you think that should be "hardcore".

[Kimble]

Relative point of view, HNM, Dynamis, Sky, Einherjar, ZNM and so on, never been hardcore. in fact, FFXI never been a hardcore game the way you state it, the only hardcore part of it was how long it take you to get your stuff done [hamster wheel].

If you take VW, then yes, you can apply your analogy and try to "low man it" if you like it hardcore, i guaranty you a great time, if is the challenge that you looking for. The only difference really is how you could solo Genbu for 12h long blocking every other member. Old content was always about cock blocking everyone, good thing SE removed that part of the game.

So is VW hardcore? Yes it is... due to Drop rate, and due to how hard that would be to low man. No matter how you look at it, i do not share your idea at all, specially when a group of 18 player with Empy + ochain + aegis + relic hit the floor. If that is not hardcore for you, well elaborate more what you think that should be "hardcore".

Quiet a few higher tier VWNMs have already been soloed or low manned. The only problem is that not capping lights generally makes doing that a waste of time.

[Runespider]

Quiet a few higher tier VWNMs have already been soloed or low manned. The only problem is that not capping lights generally makes doing that a waste of time.

Yeah better to take 18 people, cap out all the lights and have a fair chance at a drop.. oh wait..

[Kitkat]

Been at this since NA release and I still have fun on occasions, but I also still end up standing in mh hours on end watching my moogle spin round and round and round and...ooh dizzy. Anyway, the biggest problem i see with VWNM they already said isn't going to be fixed or really adjusted, which really needs to be. Other than that I do enjoy the fights themselves as it isn't too easy, nor is it over the top hard. I still wouldn't mind seeing the drop rate of certain items adjusted a little higher than it is.

I'm still interested in seeing what changes to Nyzul/Salvage/Einherjar are coming up as well as seeing what this "Last stand" battle field is all about. I would really like it is SE would listen more to the players about certain issues, not all, that are either antiquated since 75 cap, the obvious "more chances at loot means better drop distribution" theory needs to be relooked at (so people stop getting multiples of rare/ex while others get none at all), and fix some jobs that have become unbalanced with the rest (AKA become underpowered or lack any utilization in current content due to immunities). These are some of the biggest issues I can think of offhand, but SE seems to not even respond to or give hope that a change is coming that will fix/adjust any of this.

I think the only thing that would possible stop me from playing at this point is either I can't afford to play anymore, or someone hacked my account and stole it. The reason for this isn't because of the changes to the game though, so much as the people I play it with.

[Izzybella]

"Last Stand" battlefield PVP full time FTW

[Ravenmore]

Relative point of view, HNM, Dynamis, Sky, Einherjar, ZNM and so on, never been hardcore. in fact, FFXI never been a hardcore game the way you state it, the only hardcore part of it was how long it take you to get your stuff done [hamster wheel].

If you take VW, then yes, you can apply your analogy and try to "low man it" if you like it hardcore, i guaranty you a great time, if is the challenge that you looking for. The only difference really is how you could solo Genbu for 12h long blocking every other member. Old content was always about cock blocking everyone, good thing SE removed that part of the game.

So is VW hardcore? Yes it is... due to Drop rate, and due to how hard that would be to low man. No matter how you look at it, i do not share your idea at all, specially when a group of 18 player with Empy + ochain + aegis + relic hit the floor. If that is not hardcore for you, well elaborate more what you think that should be "hardcore".

6 maning gods and omega/utma was there to prove how good you were when a single mistake would wipe your group. In a 18 man fight a single mistake could be over looked if even noticed. Anyone could win a fight if you could keep throwing bodys at it not everyone could kill a mob with 6 people. Now what you have is doing a fight over and over with little risk and it becoming a boring grind. There is a balance between time sink and completion and Tanaka and his kind have no idea how to get there.

When it becomes do we have the right jobs to get all the lights some might have a chance at getting gear and not do we have the right PEOPLE to get the win the game is no longer interesting. When PUGs are doing the fights and winning with just who ever walks up or WoE mess something is wrong with the game. I willing to bet that all the VWNM could be beaten with a well balanced group with players that can listen and work together but what reason do they have to do it.