Feedback: Level Break Quest

[Zinato]

Id just like to point out i have conformation from either Linkshell members, myself or friends that every single job can enter and win the BCNM with a proper set up.

Here are some rough examples

-MNK MNK MNK DD (WAR BLU DRG SAM DRK PUP) WHM (RDM or SCH) SMN. Jobs so far 11
This set up has been used over and over, with 3 MNKs a decent SMN any healer or for that matter sub healer (TY /whm, /rdm if you are 99) will suffice. PUP can replace MNKs as needed, and DD are limited to a single slot but more on that later.

-BST x6 (maybe 1-2 SMN) Jobs so far 12
In this yes the job is specific but thats what happens when you bring a solo job to a 6 man fight. (still waiting on those "less isolationist" updates for BST)

-PLD DD x3 (same list as above but now including NIN DNC THF) a good WHM and one of the following (COR BRD SMN) Jobs so far 18
This is likely the hardest of the set-ups but it is possible and does not take a elite paladin, bring a tail or 2 for 2hr so to help if needed.

-BLM RDM SCH RNG of any combination x6 Jobs so far 20/20
This one needs preparation since the players will need 3-4 tails but, assuming you get those its a mage free for all, bring your best nuke/dmg gear and go to town.

A few final notes, while these are not exact set-ups they are the basic pieces, jobs can change and no premade set-up can account for players ability. If Mr. WHM only wants to cast Cure IV maybe you should get the RDM with fastcast. The last thing I want to point out is the enfeeble item was made specifically to make this BCNM easier. Any player choosing to ignore it accepts it will be harder, this is no different then attempting Promy fights without items (post nerf pre uncap). If you are going to complain do it after you have lost with 6/6 tails. Otherwise level sync to 30 and do a dry Promy fight come back with the results.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

I went in on my Paladin with 30% pdt- the little queer Taru did 3 Asurans on me with-in 3 seconds...the damn cast time of cure spells is longer than that.

The animation time of lolsuran is longer.

[Amador]

These posts on "OMG the fight is so hard" is so dumb.

Simple Answer: You Lack Skill, and Knowledge of the fight.

1: Get 2 Rarab Tails.
2: Get a RDM/BLM.
3: Use TAIL.
4: Chainspell Stun.
5: MURDER IT.
If tail wears off...
6: Use Tail #2!
7: KEEP MURDERING IT WITH PERIODIC STUNS.

STOP CRYING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WIN. IT'S A COOL LITTLE BC.

Your lack of attention, use of abilities, spells, ja stuns, ws stuns are HORRIBLE. Use what you have available to YOU.

THE ABOVE STRATEGY WORKS WITH ALL JOB COMBINATIONS!

That's right! The more tails, guess what? The easier!

You want the real fight?

Get a WHM with a brain, a BLU with a brain or a RDM/BLM with a brain. Then get a group of DD's of your PICKING. ANY. WILL. DO.

Done.

Go level.

[Luvbunny]

The only reason why this bcnm is terrible idea is when most everyone is 99, it would be a bit of a challenge for new or returning players to get help. Most of them will have to level at least one of the xyz jobs (summoner, beast, monk, black mage, red mage, scholar - at the minimum 1 or 2 of these jobs), farm the tails, and then shout for help. Without a LS who is willing to help you - you will face with the daunting challenge to get 5 other random people to help which can take between 30 mnts or longer. There is no other options for returning players or new players that want to do this say, 6 months down the road, either find 5 random people, or find a good LS - end of story - and also know your jobs

[Flionheart]

I did it on BRD.

Maybe that was a dream though.

[RAIST]

The only reason why this bcnm is terrible idea is when most everyone is 99, it would be a bit of a challenge for new or returning players to get help. Most of them will have to level at least one of the xyz jobs (summoner, beast, monk, black mage, red mage, scholar - at the minimum 1 or 2 of these jobs), farm the tails, and then shout for help. Without a LS who is willing to help you - you will face with the daunting challenge to get 5 other random people to help which can take between 30 mnts or longer. There is no other options for returning players or new players that want to do this say, 6 months down the road, either find 5 random people, or find a good LS - end of story - and also know your jobs

I think I see where you're coming from....but, by the time they've gotten to 95, they SHOULD have made some friends along the way, most likely gotten into an LS, etc.

Now if they've essentially bought their way to 95 as a leechand have not made any friends of any sort.....that is a completely different problem that has absolutely nothing to do w ith the difficulty of this fight.

[bloodbeat]

These posts on "OMG the fight is so hard" is so dumb.

Simple Answer: You Lack Skill, and Knowledge of the fight.

1: Get 2 Rarab Tails.
2: Get a RDM/BLM.
3: Use TAIL.
4: Chainspell Stun.
5: MURDER IT.
If tail wears off...
6: Use Tail #2!
7: KEEP MURDERING IT WITH PERIODIC STUNS.

STOP CRYING BECAUSE YOU CAN'T WIN. IT'S A COOL LITTLE BC.

Your lack of attention, use of abilities, spells, ja stuns, ws stuns are HORRIBLE. Use what you have available to YOU.

THE ABOVE STRATEGY WORKS WITH ALL JOB COMBINATIONS!

That's right! The more tails, guess what? The easier!

You want the real fight?

Get a WHM with a brain, a BLU with a brain or a RDM/BLM with a brain. Then get a group of DD's of your PICKING. ANY. WILL. DO.

Done.

Go level.

You forgot 1b: Move to an alternate universe where the rarab tail items drop with a reasonable degree of frequency.

Also, having a busy LS and friends list is also a product of being of a nationality that plays in large numbers, at the same time, for a similar length of time, I.E don't be European.

I totally agree that given the correct level of organisation, this fight is straight-forward, however, having to stage-manage those conditions is annoying.

[hiko]

(1)You forgot 1b: Move to an alternate universe where the rarab tail items drop with a reasonable degree of frequency.

(2)Also, having a busy LS and friends list is also a product of being of a nationality that plays in large numbers, at the same time, for a similar length of time, I.E don't be European.

I totally agree that given the correct level of organisation, this fight is straight-forward, however, having to stage-manage those conditions is annoying.

(1)I went help a friend few days ago farm his item, i asked him come thf,: I spent more time runing to camp than killing mobs to get 2stones and one fosilzed item(already had the other one)
Drop rate are good on 96+monsters with TH.

(2)
i'm european and had no issue farming items (on update day+1) and doing this fight with LS, it's not voidwatch you don't need 17 other people, just 5

[bloodbeat]

(1)I went help a friend few days ago farm his item, i asked him come thf,: I spent more time runing to camp than killing mobs to get 2stones and one fosilzed item(already had the other one)
Drop rate are good on 96+monsters with TH.

(2)
i'm european and had no issue farming items (on update day+1) and doing this fight with LS, it's not voidwatch you don't need 17 other people, just 5

95 THF and I've never even had a fossilised bone. I'm actually surprised to see such a baffling argument. Some people go 0/double figures on drops and some people go 1/1 on things.

I'm playing now and there's 1 other person on my friends list online. I completed this quest at 4am my time. Maybe you like grey circles under your eyes. I don't

[Inches]

lol all this talk has me stressed out. I rerolled a character a while ago, and most of my friends have all done the quest... and I know some of them are kind of baffled that I rerolled, so I don't feel too comfortable asking for help (for this in particular, anyway). To boot, I just dinged 95 thf last night. O_O . Hope I don't have to level one of the "good jobs for last genkai quest" in order to get my Thf to 99 >_< .

I have to say, though I enjoy group content a lot, I'm kind of baffled that something as intrinsic as a level cap quest, has to be 6 manned. I mean, out of all the genkais, the only other one that is really not soloable at the cap is the one that takes you to xarcabard to kill the coeurl and hound and w/e else. I went with a 95 friend and even then it was a long fight, if easy for him. Granted, back in the day, you'd have to take a couple of 75s, and if doing it at level cap, probably an alliance. But all other level caps are completely soloable, if long and/or complicated (the crests come to mind. took me all afternoon but soloed it no problem).

But man. Getting a group of 5 people together right now to do this might prove to be daunting. We'll see what happens. I'll report back here when I successfully overcome this stepping stone.