SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

[Karbuncle]

So don't delude yourselves into thinking you're somehow ingenious in how you're able to do the same things people have been doing for months to beat yet another underdesigned and underthought BF boss.

I don't really think a single person in this thread has hinted at this in any way.

[Kincard]

I really do think saying stuff like the boys and men stuff is along those lines, but sarcasm is hard to detect on the internets, so there's that.

For the record, I'm glad they made a challenging fight for the final genkai, I just wish it was the right kind of challenge. This is disappearing-blocks-in-Megaman-with-no-discernable-pattern challenge, not beat-Megaman-9-stage-feel-really-fucking-awesome challenge.

[Rohelius]

I hate looking for groups to get shit done in this game i rather have the option to go at it alone.

Ive said before people and specially the people who flaunt how good they are, are only as good as the group behind them and maybe if they decide to look outside their little bubble one day they might understand where other people who do things with shout party's and not a whole lot of jobs to choose from are coming from.

Until then they should just post constructive things like setups/food/gear/tactics and not troll around calling everyone lame for not having a endgame LS holding their hands through the hard stuff like them.
So keep whining about how lame and easy the game is and run back to your groups to get shit done

[Smokinskull]

Like a lot of others, I don't mind a challenge, but I don't really think it should be applied to something that every player is required to do (A level limit break quest). If this was to unlock the WS instead, I think I'd be a lot more okay with it. Really, for me it's not even so much the "challenge" as it is needing to get a group for it, because these days most halfway decent players do stuff in-house with their LSs. Most of the complaints I heard over Maat way back when was over the need to farm a testimony every single time you wanted to fight him and not so much over the fact the fight itself was difficult.

I also find it funny people harp on about challenge and strategizing, even though for the majority of people it comes down to just doing the same brute-force techniques used for pretty much every other monster in the game (Manaburn, Pet burn, PD Rush). So don't delude yourselves into thinking you're somehow ingenious in how you're able to do the same things people have been doing for months to beat yet another underdesigned and underthought BF boss.

Ok and Explain Why everyone shouldnt have to do it. Hell lets make Maat for all the newbies optional. Farming a test is not hard. People who are just lazy dont want to do it. And if this fight was made optional. No one would have done it. I think the battle was a great decision and again it separated people who have taken time to learn and understand each job and the people who didnt.

[Kincard]

Oh yeah, the other funny thing about people mentioning challenge and improving how you play: it's totally irrelevant when the fight requires you to have a group. With Maat that was actually a valid response to people because you could beat it as long as you improve on your own game. Here, it's a total crap shoot because you're going with different people every time (Assuming you're not, as I said, doing every single thing in-house with your LS).

Ok and Explain Why everyone shouldnt have to do it.

About as valid as me asking why everyone SHOULD have to do it, but I already said why: Because it's something that is required to progress in a basic requirement of the game (gaining levels), and not in order to get something extra, which is where challenging things are typically placed in games (EX: ultimate weapons in other RPGs, etc). At a personal level, I like the fact that they made it hard, but I can understand why someone would think it shouldn't be a requirement and I'm not at all a fan of how they decided to make it hard.

Farming a test is not hard. People who are just lazy dont want to do it.

It's precisely because farming a test isn't hard that people shouldn't have to do it, because it's an obvious irritating timesink. But that's with Maat- thankfully they avoided that pitfall here by making you only need to spend 1 merit instead, which I'm okay with.

And if this fight was made optional. No one would have done it

Remember the Serpent generals fight?

I think the battle was a great decision and again it separated people who have taken time to learn and understand each job and the people who didnt.

See above. Me getting better at my job isn't going to change the fact that I need to rely on 5 other people not sucking, which... (laughs maniacally)

[KyaShiva]

One thing I do find annoying is ppl fail once and db, thereby leaving u hanging to find another group.

[Smokinskull]

Absorb-Int You can have this!

[Xantavia]

mnk/war x3, bst, rdm/blm and smn

Inside, mnks boosted as many times as they could, popped red/yellow curry buns zergressor, focus, dodge, impetus and counterstance.

SMN used Inferno Howl (enfire) then perfect defense and melees all went all out attack.

MNKs only used Asuran Fists.

Only reason I can imagine for a hate 'reset' is if after a ws they lose so much HP that they lose enmity. With stoneskin and PD we didn't ever find this. Highest WS was a Stringing Pummel for 335. He only used 4 WS in total, the first AF doing 0, 2nd did 78 and a Tornado Kick for 116.

Bolded the parts that seemed to be the problem. As others have said, the "easy" win seems to rely on perfect defense and asuran fists. Reminds me of finding groups for CoP promyvian fights. Players saying they so easy no reason to not have wins, but don't want to help or even attempt unless you have smnx3 minimum.

[Smokinskull]

Getting better at your job is required, Because remember you have to know how your job is going to work with others. I have proven my point time and time again. I choose not to continue this debate because in the end this is not WOW or any other lame RPG. You dont like the direction, Drop your credit card info and play another game. This game requires time, strat, and teamwork. This isnt a one person shooter or whatever. So again Im done with this.

[Kincard]

Pretty typical for someone short on intelligence or creativity to bail on a conversation when they can't come up with valid points. Par for the course for this place, I suppose.