SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

[saevel]

^^; Guys, come on... let's not flop our epeens around and compare sizes...

It's still a tough battle. For everyone who says it's super easy, congratulations on having the right set up, the right people, and the right strategy! Not everyone got that lucky. I failed with 4 smns, bst, and nin. Failed with all pets. I finally just beat it with a PLD and SMN combination without using a tail! All of the failed runs we had used tails.

Tail =/= instant win.

Congratulations to everyone who won and good luck to everyone who still needs it!

The fight greatly favors pet jobs and PD zergs or mana burns while spamming the rabbit tail item. Trying to fight it with a "traditional" setup is nearly suicide unless your PLD is ridiculously pimped out. He'll do two WS so fast that it appears to one shot people. And under 50% all he does is spam WS after WS after WS like his AI is stuck in a loop. It'll just walk around killing everyone. The items don't help that much, they'll give you a 60s breather as he's running around too fast for melee's to really do damage on him. If you have BLM / SCH / RNG's then you can just spam the items and kill him while he's running. Or you get a SMN with PD and zerg him down while he can't hurt you.

Really limited set of strategies to use, but thankfully with Abyssea XP being easy people shouldn't have an issue just leveling BST and throwing slugs at him.

[Smokinskull]

The fight is very difficult, we needed a ochain pld and bst to tank it, not to mention his ws's eat through pld invincibility he 100% resistant too soul eater luckily are rng shadowbind his ass with he used hundredhand fist. Took me 4 tries, and we had emps and relics all over that taru and it was still challenging.

Boo hoo. Beat on RDM with standard party setup. Guess all those Relics and Empys didnt work. Probably because it wasnt abyssea.

[Monchat]

this fight shows the lack of imaginations of SE. They are out of ideas for making fights chalenging, so like voidwatch they give mob artificially high damageing abilities. The Seasonning stone takes less than 5 mob to get with TH6 in IT mobs, and I got 6 bones in 30 minute too. Didnt try to get the fang, but it should be as easy.

If you keep failing a the fight farm the weakening items or just bring a SMN, what the problem? It will die before PD wears off if you have 3 DDs.

[Smokinskull]

I think all I have seen and heard in this thread is Veteran player separated from the Abyssea Burn Veterans. Wasn't at all hard. Nothing in this game is hard with Strategy. Im sorry I took pride in my 5 jobs and learned them to be able to perform outside of abyssea. Again as someone stated earlier this seperated boys from men. On a Side note, I found it gut busting funny people who had seriously never fought anything outside of Abyssea trying to fight IT++ Mobs in the tree for there stones. And I quote this one guys "Im a Full Empy thief and and empy weapon and I can solo these mobs" I replied Evasion gear as I soloed a Crawler with ease in my not so Empy gear.

[Zarchery]

Every "it's not that hard" remark seems to be paired with "I did some highly specialized setup" or "I did a standard setup with very high end gear".

Challenge is all well and good, but it should be optional.

[Babekeke]

mnk/war x3, bst, rdm/blm and smn

Clear time 3 mins 33 seconds

Buffed outside with the usual pro/shell/earthen ward/aerial armour/reraise

Inside, mnks boosted as many times as they could, popped red/yellow curry buns zergressor, focus, dodge, impetus and counterstance.

SMN used Inferno Howl (enfire) then perfect defense and melees all went all out attack.

Additional effect from inferno howl did 34 damage, occasionally being resisted to 30 or 17. This is with 362 summoning magic skill.

BST only used Rampage, MNKs only used Asuran Fists.

Rampage 440
Asuran Fists 711
Asuran Fists 638
Fire III 95
Asuran Fists 588
Blizard III 86
Chaotic Strike 236
Blizard II 95
Asuran Fists 720
Asuran Fists 636
Thunder III 89
Rampage 273
Asuran Fists 489
Asuran Fists 733

Shock Squall landed, Feral Howl missed.
Melee hits landed for ~50-95 damage
Ramuh was 11-45 per melee swing. Was only really there to help stun hundred fists, not that it was really needed.

I included all the random crap I could. Unfortunately, didn't parse, so I can't say how much HP he had (no, I'm not adding it up).

People said about a hate reset in another thread, not sure if it was mentioned in here... 1 of our 3 MNK held hate the entire fight. She was first to engage and to HF and WS'd about twice as often as the others. Noone pulled hate from her at all. She lost maybe 1k HP through out the fight (after EW dropped), and RDM cast Phalanx 2 on her after Earthen Ward ran out.

Only reason I can imagine for a hate 'reset' is if after a ws they lose so much HP that they lose enmity. With stoneskin and PD we didn't ever find this. Highest WS was a Stringing Pummel for 335. He only used 4 WS in total, the first AF doing 0, 2nd did 78 and a Tornado Kick for 116.

[Zumi]

The fight is a joke, I am 5/5 on it. Helped some LS people so went extra times. Don't even see how it is hard.

[Smokinskull]

Every "it's not that hard" remark seems to be paired with "I did some highly specialized setup" or "I did a standard setup with very high end gear".

Challenge is all well and good, but it should be optional.

Im sorry I did a Standard setup with non +2 or empy weapons party. Does that fix it for you? Common sense shouldn't be optional.

[Logandor]

A friend of mine just informed me he went in on his 95 thf (fully capped in merits/skills) +2 empy gear, empy weapon and twilight dagger. ;.; He got crushed and said for me to not even bother taking my thf in at all because it was a total waste. Now if some one else went in with their thf in decent gear with decent knives and lived to win can you please share your set up. I am still farming the items. I got my one stone but the other stuff is being elusive over here on Carby server at least to this thf.

[Kincard]

Like a lot of others, I don't mind a challenge, but I don't really think it should be applied to something that every player is required to do (A level limit break quest). If this was to unlock the WS instead, I think I'd be a lot more okay with it. Really, for me it's not even so much the "challenge" as it is needing to get a group for it, because these days most halfway decent players do stuff in-house with their LSs. Most of the complaints I heard over Maat way back when was over the need to farm a testimony every single time you wanted to fight him and not so much over the fact the fight itself was difficult.

I also find it funny people harp on about challenge and strategizing, even though for the majority of people it comes down to just doing the same brute-force techniques used for pretty much every other monster in the game (Manaburn, Pet burn, PD Rush). So don't delude yourselves into thinking you're somehow ingenious in how you're able to do the same things people have been doing for months to beat yet another underdesigned and underthought BF boss.