SE really?! really 99 cap boss this hard?!?!

[Smokinskull]

Did your friend use an Evasion build? Having 5/5+2 Raider's(Emp) gear or Twashtar doesn't really help w/ survivability for THF, with the exception of the Raider's Poulaines due to them donating 12~15 Agility and 9~11 Evasion.

I can't say I've personally attempted to Evasion tank Atori-Tutori ???, but from what I've read so far...people seem to be throwing "Empyrean+2" sets out there as if they were a must for every situation, and that's not completely true. It's wise to have an Evasion build if you are a career Thief, Dancer, or Ninja just as it is to have a Shield skill build or MDT/PDT build for Paladin, etc..

Ochain is helpful for this tons, this much is true, but it is not a "must". No offense intended, but I did not at all see this fight to be anywhere near "too hard" and like many posts before me said, there are items that you can farm to make the fight easier. So if it's really that hard, just take some more time to farm those items.

Like I said though, 5/5 Emp+2 sets or Emp weapons aren't required, but do play a job you took the time to learn/skill/equip properly over something you just "AbysseaBurned" for Maat's Cap. Seen this mistake already many times.

Good luck to those that still need this.

Your cool lol, Im glad other people agree with me.

[detlef]

I've won 2x. Both times we brought a couple BLM and a BRD and some random melee. BLM help to stun and keep the mob in place after using tail. We also had SMN both times but it really isn't needed. Each time the fight was over before Manafont could wear.

[Logandor]

Did it a few times yesterday, and it was a bit tough. We walked in not really prepared for the difficulty (eg: wearing standard DD gear without any thought to him tossing an Asuran at us), and he stomped all over us. Second try we were a bit more careful, but didn't understand the damage reduction mechanism, and just didn't do enough damage before people started going squish. Third try I switched to thf (started out as mnk) and we went for a far more defensive mode (eg: constant collab on the other DD, TA the pld, etc). We were doing pretty well, but timed out.

So by today a few people had farmed up the items for the tail. Honestly, it was overkill; I think we would have been perfectly fine without it. Main thing was that we had fresh 2hrs, and a plan for taking advantage of sch enspells (along with the ton of other buffs the sch put up). The initial damage phase was going two to three times as fast as the runs we did the first night, and using the tail actually slowed us down. A couple people died right when he was at 1%, but we finished without any problem.

Did a second run with some others in the LS that couldn't fit into the first fight, and they (I sat that one out) finished without anyone dying at all, though they had someone go rdm/blm to chainspell+stun during tail use.

Yes, it's a tough fight, but if you sit down and think through the mistakes you make, and adjust your strategy accordingly, it gets easier each time. During our winning run the second day, I could hardly believe it was the same fight as the day before, it was so much easier.


Main party setup on my winning run:
Pld (no aegis or ochain, just joyeuse and MDB shield; subbed /war and ate tacos)
Thf (me; no Empyrean, just fire magian + triplus)
Sch (only hit 95 a week or two ago, middling to decent gear)
Whm (doesn't use whm much, and only got back into game a couple months ago, so gear is more old-school)
Sam (has Masamune, but Fudo sucks for this fight; used Rana and Namas (relic bow))
Nin (85 Kannagi, standard decent nin gear; did less damage than he should have because he was using Hi)

(No smn, no bst, no mnk; only used one tail per fight)

Yes, relic bow did make it easier during the tail-running phase, but mostly just for the second run. In the first run, I think she only got a single Namas off because the constant zig-zag kept her from easily targetting the Taru (she didn't use Namas when we were doing straight fighting). Was in no way a critical element.

We did not do a "zerg", though with Embrava on it almost felt like one. A straight-up fight with a bit of hate control and enspells and it's a breeze. For how we did it, pld/thf/whm/sch were the important jobs. The other two slots could have been any DD at all.


@Logandor: I use 4/5 AF3+2 and Homam feet, Rajas/Epona/Brutal/Suppa/Raider Boom/Atheling/Twilight, and Magian+Triplus daggers. My damage the first night was a bit weak, but we were playing cautiously. For the winning fight with Embrava/enspells, I was doing crazy amounts of damage. Just TA+WS on the pld, constant Collab of any other heavy DDs, and be ready to Accomp+Perfect Dodge for Hundred Fists if you don't use a tail.

I'd say thf is one of the more important jobs to bring if you want to do a fight with a more standard setup.

That was very good info thank you.

[Rezeak]

I love how people as bashing the people saying it's a challanege

Pressing Hundred fist/Alexander IS NOT A CHALLEGE

tbh tho this fight does screw alot of jobs over in usefulness which is dumb

ps enspells add ALOT of dmg ^^

[Tsukino_Kaji]

On second character had her on smn and the rest was a bst zerg. It was over fast.
On Kaji we tried a few times with nin and ended up saying "screw it" and switched someone to pld.

[Logandor]

Did your friend use an Evasion build? Having 5/5+2 Raider's(Emp) gear or Twashtar doesn't really help w/ survivability for THF, with the exception of the Raider's Poulaines due to them donating 12~15 Agility and 9~11 Evasion.

I can't say I've personally attempted to Evasion tank Atori-Tutori ???, but from what I've read so far...people seem to be throwing "Empyrean+2" sets out there as if they were a must for every situation, and that's not completely true. It's wise to have an Evasion build if you are a career Thief, Dancer, or Ninja just as it is to have a Shield skill build or MDT/PDT build for Paladin, etc..

Ochain is helpful for this tons, this much is true, but it is not a "must". No offense intended, but I did not at all see this fight to be anywhere near "too hard" and like many posts before me said, there are items that you can farm to make the fight easier. So if it's really that hard, just take some more time to farm those items.

Like I said though, 5/5 Emp+2 sets or Emp weapons aren't required, but do play a job you took the time to learn/skill/equip properly over something you just "AbysseaBurned" for Maat's Cap. Seen this mistake already many times.

Good luck to those that still need this.

He didn't say but I do think if he did he may have forgotten it at the last moment to tell me or something. He just said "don't try it with your thf empy outfit it costed me my win when I had gone." I hope he had tried an eva set but sense he didn't say anything I am not sure. >.< Though he did message me about 30 minutes ago saying his blm managed to do nicely. Not sure the set-up he went with this time though.

[Kincard]

Bailing, I find that very funny. What else should I have to prove? That A. People are lazy, B. People rather go straight to abyssea and not learn there jobs C. People have 0 Skill when it come to something hard out side of abyssea, and D. Herp Derp therefore Gimpness.

The point ----------------->
Your head --->O

Quick, chase after it! You might still be able to catch it!

By the way, didn't you leave the conversation? Nice to see that you're back!

[Juri_Licious]

It's the last level cap in the game, and you're whining that it's too hard...

[hideka]

i lol'd when he oneshotted an aegis paladin who thought subbing Ninja was a good idea. went back and whipped on him pld/war with OMGDEFENDR!!!! and a ttaco. easiest BCNM ive ever done. this was nothing compared to snoll, or origonal airship.

[Lukielucas]

A friend of mine just informed me he went in on his 95 thf (fully capped in merits/skills) +2 empy gear, empy weapon and twilight dagger. ;.; He got crushed and said for me to not even bother taking my thf in at all because it was a total waste. Now if some one else went in with their thf in decent gear with decent knives and lived to win can you please share your set up. I am still farming the items. I got my one stone but the other stuff is being elusive over here on Carby server at least to this thf.

The way we did it, was SMN, BLU, BLU, THF, DNC, MNK (used perfect defense method) and when it worn, I (being 95THF) would boost my enmity from stealing enmity from the person who has the hate and then use Perfect Dodge while the rest carried on zerging him, that how we won without items

and my gears were in TP build