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  1. #31
    Player Greatguardian's Avatar
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    I'm never the one parsing, and I hardly need a lecture on sampling bias and the inherent flaws of parsing as a measure of potential results. Would you prefer top 5 DD in the game in Voidwatch as a whole, but strongest DD on physical resistant Voidwatch mobs? I would be happy to amend my statement if it would help.

    The point was someone was coming in here and complaining about bullets while saying that COR isn't considered a strong/elite DD any more. This is a complete joke, as Wildfire completely destroys many Voidwatch monsters - many of whom have physical resistance or PDT. In terms of raw damage on a neutral target, Corsair will not be the best, but who sits around spamming T1, T2, or T4 Jeuno anyways?

    One of the new super-T6s has a massive PDT shield of up to 90% that completely rapes all melee DDs, and Botulus Rex is just an asshole who is most easily destroyed by throwing as many Wildfires on it as possible. Corsair excels in Voidwatch because Corsair has something that no other DD in the game has (aside from Ranger, obviously), and that is a legitimately powerful magic WS. Pil is an above average VW mob, but defensively he's nothing special at all. Qilin is even weaker defensively, as he's just a higher level Kirin clone. Where Corsair shines, and where it will continue to shine, are situations where it is able to spam Weaponskills/Skillchains and Quick Draw like a DD while doing Magical damage at a range like a mage.

    Unless of course you think Warriors, Samurais, and Monks are going to outparse a Corsair on a monster with a -90% PDT shield.
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    Last edited by Greatguardian; 12-21-2011 at 08:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I'm never the one parsing, and I hardly need a lecture on sampling bias and the inherent flaws of parsing as a measure of potential results. Would you prefer top 5 DD in the game in Voidwatch as a whole, but strongest DD on physical resistant Voidwatch mobs? I would be happy to amend my statement if it would help.

    The point was someone was coming in here and complaining about bullets while saying that COR isn't considered a strong/elite DD any more. This is a complete joke, as Wildfire completely destroys many Voidwatch monsters - many of whom have physical resistance or PDT. In terms of raw damage on a neutral target, Corsair will not be the best, but who sits around spamming T1, T2, or T4 Jeuno anyways?

    One of the new super-T6s has a massive PDT shield of up to 90% that completely rapes all melee DDs, and Botulus Rex is just an asshole who is most easily destroyed by throwing as many Wildfires on it as possible. Corsair excels in Voidwatch because Corsair has something that no other DD in the game has (aside from Ranger, obviously), and that is a legitimately powerful magic WS. Pil is an above average VW mob, but defensively he's nothing special at all. Qilin is even weaker defensively, as he's just a higher level Kirin clone. Where Corsair shines, and where it will continue to shine, are situations where it is able to spam Weaponskills/Skillchains and Quick Draw like a DD while doing Magical damage at a range like a mage.

    Unless of course you think Warriors, Samurais, and Monks are going to outparse a Corsair on a monster with a -90% PDT shield.
    It won't, just like how WARs parse high on Qilin, COR parse high in situations strongly favors magical dmg. Everything is situational, saying x job is strongest DD in an event on forum before counting the mob difference/pt proc efficency/luck/indiviual skill and gear is just pretty controversatial.

    I just did a Pil on melee job btw, pretty sure full time melee/engage on Pil is very possible if pt proc fast enough(I was on it entire time and hardly take dmg when it's proced most of the time and had temps most of the time)
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    I'm sure it is. I also just said Pil was nothing special defensively. As long as you have Fanatic's or a stagger up, he goes down pretty quickly.

    Corsair is able to deal respectable damage to every Voidwatch NM. No other job can claim that. It's consistent and offers potent party buffs. It's more versatile than any other VW DD, and is the only DD worth a damn on some monsters - most notably the ones most worth killing right now.

    You really can't go wrong with Corsair. You just can't do it. Those were my criterion. When a job is capable of being a powerful DD on every Voidwatch NM, and one of the best DDs by miles on some of the most powerful Voidwatch NMs, yes I will generally consider it the best DD choice for Voidwatch.

    I have never, and will never say that Corsair is the most powerful DD in the game outright. I don't do vacuum math. It's clear that Corsair is not capable of keeping up with the Big 3 in a fair fight. But who said the fight had to be fair? Voidwatch simply happens to consist of many NMs which appeal to Corsair's strengths.
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    Last edited by Greatguardian; 12-21-2011 at 03:24 PM.

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    Well Some orichalcum pouches finally showed up on Odin at a charming 150k/pouch. I love this server. Clearly once I know what craft levels are needed its finally time to level synergy, GS and alchemy. This crap is ridiculous.
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    Basically, What Mirabelle already said as a counterpoint to Greatguardian... 50k a stack, sure I'd buy up 12 pouches and make it my WS macro bullet. 100k+ is not worth it...
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    As already pointed out, that seems to be a server-specific problem and at that point I would highly recommend just buying the materials and finding a crafter to make the bullets for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    As already pointed out, that seems to be a server-specific problem and at that point I would highly recommend just buying the materials and finding a crafter to make the bullets for you.
    This.
    They're 50k/stack on my server and I'm gonna use them for my Wildfires.
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    Some people, I guess, are OK with highway robbery as long as they get to brag about being on top of the mountain.

    I only play RNG and COR sparingly because I like shooting off ammo and can't afford to do so on a regular enough basis to even think about calling it a main job.

    100,000/cache is simply outrageous by any standard. Then again, outrageous price setting has become the norm on Cerberus.
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    Dare I ask what prices on this server are actually outrageous? Shit is dirt cheap on Cerberus.
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    ...I'm surprised this wasn't brought up, and I don't think that it was. Corsair is one of the strongest DD's in VW not just because of WF, but because of giving Save TP/Regain to not just themselves, but every other DD in their party. <_<
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