Limit break BS

[Logandor]

THF's pretty good. Besides being a solid DW job with strong multihit WSes and a two-hour that renders it immune to all damage, this seems to be a fight with a lot of hate resets (reports of Atori running off to smack a healer randomly after WS, etc.), which means TA+Dancing Edge on a PLD is meaningful if enmity keeps getting reset before anybody can cap it.

Okay I was not sure sense I had not seen anyone put any postings about winning matches including thfs on here yet so was getting a little nervous that I would have to go back to whm lol.

[scaevola]

I don't know the specifics of his hate resets, if you could even call them that. All I know is that if a mob EVER picks a WHM to beat on over a double-soul-voiced MNK it pretty much has to be because of a full hate reset, and in that case (and in this fight), a 400+ point TA+Dancing Edge immediately after the Flash/Provoke/Whatever is Worth Doing.

EDIT: Also, SMN can more or less be considered another tail. Really useful to get through HF in one piece but you could use a tail for that; if you need Perfect Defense to survive outside of HF and you aren't straight-up Tabula Rasa 4xMNK Hundred Fists zerging the hell out him you probably didn't have that great a shot to begin with.

[scaevola]

Well, my comments were really directed at SE and their sycophants. Sorry if my aim was off.

The damage cap is great, actually. Rendering Emp WSes and ODD procs pointless was pretty much the only way to ensure the fight would be challenging for everyone without being totally impossible for many.

[xbobx]

Drg may not be that bad, unlike Sam and Drk at least you have the wyvern to do dmg too, and it hits fairly fast. That could make up for the disadvantage.

You also have jumps, 2 jumps, your 2 hour resets those , it may not be all that bad.

[Logandor]

Drg may not be that bad, unlike Sam and Drk at least you have the wyvern to do dmg too, and it hits fairly fast. That could make up for the disadvantage.

You also have jumps, 2 jumps, your 2 hour resets those , it may not be all that bad.

Well I will try the fight with all my highest jobs and let you all know how it goes though whm seems to be a popular one for a set up already so I'll leave that job out of it. Going to go farm some more items for the fight.

[Babekeke]

mnk/war x3, bst, rdm/blm and smn

Clear time 3 mins 33 seconds

Buffed outside with the usual pro/shell/earthen ward/aerial armour/reraise

Inside, mnks boosted as many times as they could, popped red/yellow curry buns zergressor, focus, dodge, impetus and counterstance.

SMN used Inferno Howl (enfire) then perfect defense and melees all went all out attack.

Additional effect from inferno howl did 34 damage, occasionally being resisted to 30 or 17. This is with 362 summoning magic skill.

BST only used Rampage, MNKs only used Asuran Fists.

Rampage 440
Asuran Fists 711
Asuran Fists 638
Fire III 95
Asuran Fists 588
Blizard III 86
Chaotic Strike 236
Blizard II 95
Asuran Fists 720
Asuran Fists 636
Thunder III 89
Rampage 273
Asuran Fists 489
Asuran Fists 733

Shock Squall landed, Feral Howl missed.
Melee hits landed for ~50-95 damage
Ramuh was 11-45 per melee swing. Was only really there to help stun hundred fists, not that it was really needed.

I included all the random crap I could. Unfortunately, didn't parse, so I can't say how much HP he had (no, I'm not adding it up).

Edit: Just noticed people said about a hate reset... 1 of our 3 MNK held hate the entire fight. She was first to engage and to HF and WS'd about twice as often as the others. Noone pulled hate from her at all. She lost maybe 1k HP through out the fight (after EW dropped), and RDM cast Phalanx 2 on her after Earthen Ward ran out.

Only reason I can imagine for a hate 'reset' is if after a ws they lose so much HP that they lose enmity. With stoneskin and PD we didn't ever find this. Highest WS was a Stringing Pummel for 335. He only used 4 WS in total, the first AF doing 0, 2nd did 78 and a Tornado Kick for 116.

[Meyi]

Drop rate is straight-up Low. No real way around this. I got my items from DCs in Dangruf, for whatever that's worth, but it took a while.

Shellmates of mine are 0/3 without having yet used a tail; we'll be going again tonight. They are NOT in good gear by any means (PLD has an 85 Almace; most of the rest is a mix of a few +2 AF3, mostly +1s, and some APT) and went with a mishmash of semi-optimal jobs (RDM and SCH healing), but only wiped once. They timed out twice due to low damage; they forgot about/didn't really understand the damage cap and did stuff like have somebody go SAM rather than THF and let a BLU use Heavy Strike (97 damage boyeeee). The SCH did not use TR>Embrava, and I don't think it occurred to them to use enspells. Yeah, they weren't prepared at all. Even with that, their time-outs were at 9% and 1%.

It doesn't really seem that bad, honestly. Use dual-wield jobs for damage whenever possible, focus on multihit WS, and above all pick your jobs and build your strategy around available two-hours. WHM might be a straight-up better healer, but if you've already got one healer in the group and you have the choice between going as WHM and a competent healer with a stronger two-hour like SCH or SMN, the latter's going to be way more useful.

Drop rate isn't really too too awful. But maybe that was because I had Treasure Hunter most of the time?

Both times we lost because of time out. First time we had about 5% HP left to go, second time about 20%. If we had had just a few more minutes we would have been golden, haha.

I agree with your strategy. -nod- I wish I had Alexander for my summoner. Maybe I should get that first before I try the limit break again.

[Babekeke]

Drop rate isn't really too too awful. But maybe that was because I had Treasure Hunter most of the time?

We had 12 people killing skeles in Labyrinth of Onzozo and they were dropping ~every 3rd mob. We had 3 TH6 THFs though, so even the adds were guaranteed someone to tag it.

[Izzybella]

What is needed to redo if you win?

I want to help other people with my monk but I am not sure what I need to do now. he no longer accepts 5 high kindered crests. I assume i need to get a new seasoning stone?

Dominic in Tenshodo in Lower Jeuno will warp you to the Burning circle of your choice after you have finished LB quest and you can help anyone else by just going in.

I've had wins in a 6 person BST group using Gooey, no tail used and also 4 BSTs and 2BLM using the olde rarab tail.