Limit break BS

[Camiie]

It doesn't really seem that bad, honestly. Use dual-wield jobs for damage whenever possible, focus on multihit WS, and above all pick your jobs and build your strategy around available two-hours.

Luckily I have WAR MNK DNC and BST which all fit the Dual Wield/H2H mold and I have SMN for Perfect Defense. Poor SAM sounds kinda left out on this one unless Dual Wielding swords is somehow effective?

But even if certain jobs are ineffective in a fight everyone must do I'm sure that somehow equals BALANCE to the devs. I'm just not as smart as them so I can't see it!

[scaevola]

What I'm seeing is people suggesting that if you absolutely must use SAM and can't use a tail (which removes the damage cap and thus makes the hand-wringing irrelevant), Penta Thrust works. Regardless, it would be one thing if leveling were still pulling teeth and everyone and their mother did not have 6-7 jobs at 95, but I think it's fine for particular jobs to shine in a fight that favors two-hours. A naked SCH or SMN isn't going to have quite as strong an Embrava/Perfect Defense as one with best-in-slot gear, but that doesn't mean Embrava/PD aren't by themselves strong enough to make a big, big difference.

I *think* the biggest concern with the tail is that a PLD, Ochain or no, is the only one with a reasonable shot at surviving some of the more unlucky events in this fight, and the damage cap keeps the DDs from ripping hate too easily. When we go tonight, I'm going to recommend we start with the SCH buff routine, then proceed as normal tail-less until the melee has capped hate and the PLD can't tank anymore, at which point we PD (Embrava Regen/Phalanx should cover the damage; I am sure my LS leader, the nicest, most humble and helpful secret-melee-RDM you'll ever meet, will be looking forward to this) and Hundred Fists into his own HF, use a tail, Gravity him, and have everyone unload.

I'll let you know how it goes!

[Brolic]

Luckily I have WAR MNK DNC and BST which all fit the Dual Wield/H2H mold and I have SMN for Perfect Defense. Poor SAM sounds kinda left out on this one unless Dual Wielding swords is somehow effective?

But even if certain jobs are ineffective in a fight everyone must do I'm sure that somehow equals BALANCE! I'm just not clever enough to see it!

Do you sincerely know someone without a mage job or is able to play a dw job? it's a level cap per character not job, i'm sure by now everyone has a job that's useful in this fight. you want to talk balance, finally a fight where pld is useful.

[JiltedValkyrie]

I thought the fight was challenging and amazingly fun. Definitely the right balance for a challenge. Could have gone horribly wrong, but we won! (see post in thread: Olde Rarab Tail)

[Camiie]

Do you sincerely know someone without a mage job or is able to play a dw job? it's a level cap per character not job, i'm sure by now everyone has a job that's useful in this fight.

Are you sure? Of course you're not. You have no idea what everyone has or doesn't have leveled. No one should assume everyone has a certain category of job leveled or presume to tell them that they should level any particular job.

you want to talk balance, finally a fight where pld is useful.

Only in SE's world is that balance. "Oh my favorite job is good here and here and here but it sucks for this and that and the other thing." Balance should not be measured by how many events or fights one's job is useful for. Ironically, even by that standard there's nothing even close to balance in FFXI.

I feel for you on the way PLD has been treated as of late. I've felt the sting of uselessness many times, and I don't want anyone who's working hard and doing all the right things on their favored job to ever have to feel that way. When we get as close to that point as humanly possible, then we have balance.

[scaevola]

Are you sure? Of course you're not. You have no idea what everyone has or doesn't have leveled. No one should assume everyone has a certain category of job leveled or presume to tell them that they should level any particular job.

No one is saying that anyone should have a particular job leveled. What we are saying is that out of the half-dozen jobs most people have leveled in the full year since Dominion Ops came out, odds are good that at least one of them will be one of the dozen jobs that are particularly well-suited to this fight.

We are not even suggesting that you need to be on one of those jobs to finish it. If anything, I'd have thought my post outing my linkshell as having gone in woefully unprepared but still getting really close to winning the hard mode would have made that clear.

What we ARE saying is that the damage cap puts jobs that rely on big hits like two-handers, RNG, and BLM at a major disadvantage in this fight if you don't use a tail. Not for nothing, if you DO use a tail RNG and BLM suddenly become the best DDs available, so really all we're saying is you probably shouldn't show up as DRK, DRG, or SAM if you can help it.

[Logandor]

Okay so from what I am reading Drg, thf, and sam or kinda going to be sol on this fight in some sense. Guess it's time to pull whm back out and level it to 95 from 91. Any other suggestions on this guy because from the sounds of things if you don't got a smn or pld friend your going to need to either A) go level it your self and get it all preped and prettied, B) pay a ton of gil to ask for a hand, or C) stick to 95 like glue til it gets nerfed down in a later update.

As for helping people I've been out on thf sense I was on yesterday helping random people for zilch and getting them their stones of joy. I am even helping a level 60+ whm get up to 70 for his first maat fight ever. In a sense of people not helping out the lower levels I guess I am not one of them. If anyone needs a thf to help on your stuff and your on carby and see me page me and I'll help you out as well. Just tossing that out and no charge.

Also we got snow finally here in the northwest. I am watching it fall outside right now. Nice big snowflakes.

[Camiie]

No one is saying that anyone should have a particular job leveled. What we are saying is that out of the half-dozen jobs most people have leveled in the full year since Dominion Ops came out, odds are good that at least one of them will be one of the dozen jobs that are particularly well-suited to this fight.

Well, my comments were really directed at SE and their sycophants. Sorry if my aim was off.

[Valonquar]

People have had good luck at the windy entrance to toramai killing the skeletons just inside

[scaevola]

Okay so from what I am reading Drg, thf, and sam or kinda going to be sol on this fight in some sense. Guess it's time to pull whm back out and level it to 95 from 91. Any other suggestions on this guy because from the sounds of things if you don't got a smn or pld friend your going to need to either A) go level it your self and get it all preped and prettied, B) pay a ton of gil to ask for a hand, or C) stick to 95 like glue til it gets nerfed down in a later update.

THF's pretty good. Besides being a solid DW job with strong multihit WSes and a two-hour that renders it immune to all damage, this seems to be a fight with a lot of hate resets (reports of Atori running off to smack a healer randomly after WS, etc.), which means TA+Dancing Edge on a PLD is meaningful if enmity keeps getting reset before anybody can cap it.