Quote Originally Posted by Finuve View Post
I said let me know if I'm wrong, just going off what I've heard, however upheaval I have tested and it seems like crap, though I haven't been thorough

Realmrazer, Entropy, Ruinator, Requiescat are the worst offenders of these though
super wrong,
Shijin Spiral is actually the best of the added ws's and the best mnk ws when paired with relic h2h. Upheaval is only behind met. torment and ukko's fury, and apex is as good if not better than sidewinder.