Fed up

[MojoJojo]

That seems to be the biggest gripe people have right? Sure you could walk away without that fancy body piece you wanted, or some other guy in the ls/shout party got it, it's alot better than standing around for 12hours with 10 other ls's just to watch some bot get a claim....or kill the damn thing and get nothing. The whole VW thing sounds like people are pissed you can't blue proc the mob for 100% droprate....

[detlef]

That's a pretty extreme point of view though. I'm pretty sure nobody wants what you suggested, because then it would be unsatisfying. However, VW as it is now is way over at the other extreme where people get discouraged because the drop rate is too low. I know I don't want items to drop like candy. I just want slightly better drop rates. Only slightly!

[Nynja]

If old endgame didn't make you ragequit, I fail to see how Voidwatch, which is better in every conceivable way, could be worse... but you seem to think that old endgame was better designed, so I'm going to go ahead and chalk that up to you putting zero thought into it.

I FUCKING LOVE GETTING TOCI HARNESS FOR MY WHM MULE!!!
I FUCKING LOVE IT EVEN MORE WHEN MY WHM MULE GETS A SECOND TOCIS HARNESS!!!!!!

[Atomic_Skull]

New WS? yeah they are incredibly incredibly shiny (mostly to distract you from the fact they suck, except sosha)

wut?

Shijin Spiral: Almost as good s Victory Smite.

Last Stand: Most powerful marksmanship WS outside abyssea. Equal to Wildfire inside it unless you gimp your physical damage with MAB and +fire damage atmas.

Apex Arrow. Same damage as Sidewinder but without the negative accuracy and it ignores defense.

Extenterator: Third best dagger WS (oh you wanted it to be as strong as relic/emp?, that's not happening sorry)

Resolution: Nearly equal to Torcleaver.

Upheaval: Third best Great Axe WS after Ukko's and Metatron. (again, you wanted a free emp class WS? not happening sorry)

Ruinator: Max potential damage lower than Rampage, but damage is consistently much higher.

Some of them suck but a lot of them are very good.

[MojoJojo]

The drop rate is low, but compared to pre-aby, it's alot better. In the grand scheme of things. People can actually participate in fights against these monsters, which i'm sure everyone can be happy about. I'm sure the people making these hate threads wouldn't be moaning if they were the who got the body/boots on their first run.

I wouldn't cry if they upped the drop rate for items, but c'mon, people are throwing venom at the dev's and talking about quitting and boycotting over this shit. It's a joke. When i get annoyed with low drop rates, or competition around Sobek and whatnot, i take a breath and remember what it used to be like, and i thank fuck that's in the past.

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

In before lock.

[Kimble]

I have no problem with working to earn something. Doing VW all the time and hoping the RNG is going to be nice doesn't really feel like you earned it, just feels like you got lucky.

Old end game wasn't perfect, but if you weren't in a crappy linkshell and the leaders didn't take everything for themselves, you can still EARN what you get.

And just to be clear, ive gotten 2 bodies and other items as well so it's not like im just giving a negative point of view because I haven't gotten anything.

[Calatilla]

Nothing annoys me more about Voidwatch than someone getting a drop you been after for ages, 3 times, yes, 3 fucking times is as many fights. These items are rare/ex, you can't possibly hold more than 1. Heres what SE should have done:

"At least if they could do something like, an item you already have can't be rolled into your box, similar to how it is if you were to fight a mob with a certain item that everyone in your pt had, it just wouldn't drop.

But in this case it would just be re-rolled into someone elses box instead of your's."

If they did something like that, maybe a certain somebody would'nt keep getting the same item that I`ve been waiting for.

[Gouka]

You know, I'm wondering about something. Thinking back about the fact that "eighteen people increases the chance for loot to drop," what if the contents of the coffer, all ninety of them or whatever, are determined when the NM is killed and loot is first-come, first-served? I haven't done much Voidwatch and I don't know if anyone has postulated this before, apologies if that's the case. But if it is, maybe try letting people who don't have the most coveted drops examine the chest first? It would be interesting to see if that changes anyone's luck.

[Dreamin]

You know, I'm wondering about something. Thinking back about the fact that "eighteen people increases the chance for loot to drop," what if the contents of the coffer, all ninety of them or whatever, are determined when the NM is killed and loot is first-come, first-served? I haven't done much Voidwatch and I don't know if anyone has postulated this before, apologies if that's the case. But if it is, maybe try letting people who don't have the most coveted drops examine the chest first? It would be interesting to see if that changes anyone's luck.

Nope. The Rare/Ex item that ppl want are all over the place. The only known and generally agreed upon fact is that capping blue light only will give you 2 more logs/ores since the Rare/Ex item never seen to appear after the 3rd item in anyone's loot box.

For those that doesn't seem to understands the single complaint about VW (and WoE is the same way). It isn't because the fight is hard or anything. It isn't that proc'ing full light is hard or anything. It is only the idiotic PURELY RANDOM on which lootbox that Ra/Ex item can and will appear. It's not about walking away with a pounch of heavy plates or all these crap logs/ores that people are tried of getting. When your chance of EVER getting this Ra/Ex item is completely up to a pure RANDOM chance of luck (a very low chance to begin with). It isn't about how good you were or how good your party is. Because none of these NMs are that difficult that a competent group cannot kill with full light on every fight (other than the occasional Kaggen popping and spam Death or Pil lock itself into dmg resistance mode). When your Challenge is whether you can get that LUCKY Roll, you're basically playing a lottery and NOT a game where skills were supposed to be the main thing. In this loot system now, your LUCK is more important than your skill. Which means that some people could possibly get that ra/ex drop on their very 1st try and then you have people who are in their 200+ on the same NM and still have absolutely nothing to show for (personally I'm only in the 150-200 range for Qilin and 50+ on Kaggen). PURE LUCK should not be your only chance of ever getting any item. I wish SE would at least bump your each individual's chance of getting the Ra/Ex item every time they repeat the same VWNM (doesnt' have to be much but no one should have to fight the same NM 200+ with full light and still dont have the item).