Fed up

[Vicious]

The droprate on Metal is not atrocious; 3 fights, 6 loot pools, i average 2~3 each round. As for the 1% droprate, hey it's the current top-tier endgame, every single event that's been implemented in the history of FFXI has started off with low droprates, which are then adjusted later on once new, shinier things are released. If you have such a huge problem with this, you haven't been paying attention for the last 8 years, or are simply playing the wrong game.

As for your further argument concerning Einherjar, can you purchase abjurations with Ichor? Helm? Breastplate? Hrm no, I didn't think so. It was a split system just like Voidwatch is.

I understand that it sucks watching a body drop to someone that doesn't want it, or already has it; but as I already mentioned, the only viable alternative is for it to go to the loot pool, which would completely kill the event. Honestly, why do you think it's designed as such? SE realizes that the playerbase is smaller than it once was, that Abyssea killed off most of the major Linkshells that had the manpower to camp HNMs, and that the playerbase at large does not want to go back to that status quo. Look at the shouts in Jeuno sometime, how many people do you see offering to help others farm Empyreans for others? Yeah, no, it's all "Bukhis: Wings X +2 Freelot /tell". I can see it now.. "Kaggen: Body/Belt/Plates locked, Eye/Scrolls Freelot, @4/18 /tell."

As for a point system towards Voidwatch bodies and such, are you out of your mind? Have you noticed the numerous threads lambasting the 1500 Plate requirement for 95 Empyreans? How many Voidwatch wins do you think they would require to gain enough points to purchase a body? Given that a group that has their shit together can do 5-6 NMs per hour, I assure you that the devs wouldn't find a number less than 300 to be feasible, and that's lowballing it; if they left the random drops in place in addition to that system, expect 500+.

I'm not saying it's perfect as is, but it's a whole lot better than things used to be, and you have no idea how much worse you'd have it if you got what you wished for.

[Tamoa]

The droprate on Metal is not atrocious; 3 fights, 6 loot pools, i average 2~3 each round.

If that's your average, you're damn lucky. Then again, basing your average on 3 fights isn't really representative. I have done 4 Qilins in a row and got a pouch from 3 of them. I also did over 30 zilart T3 fights before I saw my first pouch. I've lost count on how many zilart T3s I've done by now, but I'm still at a total of 4 only pouches.

As for the 1% droprate, hey it's the current top-tier endgame, every single event that's been implemented in the history of FFXI has started off with low droprates, which are then adjusted later on once new, shinier things are released. If you have such a huge problem with this, you haven't been paying attention for the last 8 years, or are simply playing the wrong game.

So that makes it ok? Having terrible drop rates and only increasing them when the item is outdated? And you're right, I haven't been paying attention for the last 8 years, I've only been playing for 6.

As for your further argument concerning Einherjar, can you purchase abjurations with Ichor? Helm? Breastplate? Hrm no, I didn't think so. It was a split system just like Voidwatch is.

But at least Odin never dropped nothing at all. And you could decide one way or another who got what - you didn't see the same person get his 4th Ebody while you still hadn't gotten yours. And you got ichor for each chamber successfully cleared, which you could spend on useful items.

As for a point system towards Voidwatch bodies and such, are you out of your mind? Have you noticed the numerous threads lambasting the 1500 Plate requirement for 95 Empyreans? How many Voidwatch wins do you think they would require to gain enough points to purchase a body? Given that a group that has their shit together can do 5-6 NMs per hour, I assure you that the devs wouldn't find a number less than 300 to be feasible, and that's lowballing it; if they left the random drops in place in addition to that system, expect 500+.

I'm not saying it's perfect as is, but it's a whole lot better than things used to be, and you have no idea how much worse you'd have it if you got what you wished for.

Yes, I have noticed the numerous threads regarding the 1500 plates requirement for 95 empyrean weapon. I have voiced my opinion too. But guess what, I'm still working on taking my GA to 95. Because I know for sure if I keep at it, I will finish it. How can what I wish for, possibly be worse than it is now? Worst case scenario, as it is now I can end up never getting that voidwatch body I want, no matter how many fights I do.

[IronPandemonium]

The droprate on Metal is not atrocious; 3 fights, 6 loot pools, i average 2~3 each round.

>implying you can get more than one heavy metal plate per fight per character
>implying you actually do vwnm

[dragoon_apprentice]

If u can think up a better system, try. i just tried, and failed, so i deleted what i was about to write

[Concerned4FFxi]

I think if you have said item in your inventory it shouldn't drop to you again unless you tossed the first one, also, I would like to see the opinion of a point system, but I don't feel that the best drops should be attainable from points. Items like mirrors and plates should be from the points and from the chests, and the synth items to make the synth armors, but keep the best gear rare/ex chest only, and keep the shitty drop rate because it makes it that much more awesome if you do get it. The idea is not to have everyone running around with the best, then that gear just becomes the best average gear. That said, if your chest loads with a rare/ex, you should be able to say no to that item and get alot of points for refusing it, similiar to how you can trade conquest npc's at the outposts for conquest points and advance your nation in the conquest tally. This way you can get ride of rare/ex drops you don't want, but still get something from it like alot of points to redeem heavy metal plates, mirrors, synth items for the AH gear, etc.

[Vicious]

If that's your average, you're damn lucky. Then again, basing your average on 3 fights isn't really representative. I have done 4 Qilins in a row and got a pouch from 3 of them. I also did over 30 zilart T3 fights before I saw my first pouch. I've lost count on how many zilart T3s I've done by now, but I'm still at a total of 4 only pouches.

You'll notice that I was referring to Heavy Metal Plates, not Pouches. Who does Zilart t3s?

So that makes it ok?

Irrelevant. It is the way things are, complaining about it is akin to paying someone to kick you in the balls, then bitching incessantly afterwards because you just didn't think it should hurt.

But at least Odin never dropped nothing at all. And you could decide one way or another who got what - you didn't see the same person get his 4th Ebody while you still hadn't gotten yours. And you got ichor for each chamber successfully cleared, which you could spend on useful items.

..and you could only fight Odin twice a month at absolute most. How many Voidwatch fights do you think you could do in two weeks? This is what I'm talking about, you're talking without thinking.

Worst case scenario, as it is now I can end up never getting that voidwatch body I want, no matter how many fights I do.

Welcome to FFXI. I'll ask again, are you sure you're playing the right game?

[Kimble]

You'll notice that I was referring to Heavy Metal Plates, not Pouches. Who does Zilart t3s?

People who want plates.

[Vicious]

People who want plates.

Anyone who's done Voidwatch knows that you get more plates spamming Jeuno t3s~

[Kimble]

Anyone who's done Voidwatch knows that you get more plates spamming Jeuno t3s~

lol, wrong on so many levels.

[Tamoa]

Voidwatch is actually limited aswell, you know. You need a voidstone to be eligible for any rewards. If you spam voidwatch, you'll run out of voidstones pretty quickly. Then you need to either a) spend IS, AN or CP for voiddust, or b) buy voiddust. Eventually you will run out of IS, AN and CP, forcing you to do campaign battle as the most efficient way to be able to obtain more voiddust. Or you can spend a shitton of gil buying it. Voiddust is currently selling for 20-25k each on my server, that means ~100k per run.

Either way - with the voidwatch system being as it is, there is a lot of grinding involved. Changing it to be more like Einherjar also means grinding, but my point is that at least you know you will indeed get that piece of armour in the end. I don't know about you, but I prefer my grinding to actually yield a reward in the end (reward as in something I actually want, not logs and ores). Instead, now you can spam voidwatch week after week and get nothing to show for your efforts.

By the way - you said 3 fights and 6 loot pools - that means you have 2 characters, and you say you averaged 2-3 plates per round. And you weren't talking about pouches. To the best of my knowledge you can only get 1 single plate per fight per character, at least I have never heard of anybody getting more.