Petition for new Forum Button: Dislike

[Krashport]

no point of even having the Like button either tbh.

Pretty much! ^^b Like

[Amador]

It's funny to see people still using the same idea: Abuse. People already abuse the like feature! Look at the trend in this post! People are liking, the people who are against the original idea of having a dislike! The people who are for it are getting a like.

The point is, I highly doubt most MOD sit there and read through 10 pages of utter nonsense from the same 5 trolls who try to post and say that the idea of the OP is no good, for x invalid reason. There are some of those people in this thread already. They just enjoy watching their post count go up.

If you for some reason fear the ZAM and or other forums who rate down players or not, then fine so be it. The reality is: Even if you're disliked, if you have a valid opinion, a topic and a coherent thought people will like it. If you just sit there uttering non-sense the idea is that people will dislike you.

Abuse aside, please. Just drop it. What are your other thoughts on the issue?

There are hundreds of posts here a day, what if the majority of topics are simply skimmed by devs to find "Like" or not. Perfect example is the WS thread. How many posts are made, that have solid positive feed back and are left in the dust with not so much as a post from Camante saying: No, because of x and y.

People have been asking for polls for a while now, this would be an easy way to see it. No one is asking for them to set: Sub-Default for players who get rated down 1000 times. Simply a Side By Side view of Like and Dislike, logical posts still appeal and provide strong backing to subjects and posts. There's no reason why someone who wants something to happen to simply click "Like or Dislike" look at how that's going already, people still click like then post their opinion to support it.

So try to look at it that way, it's not so we can ruin people's forum reputation on here. It's so that individual threads made can be rated and viewed appropriately in the sense of: 34 likes vs 80 dislikes.

I have an account on ZAM, I'm rated Default. Do I cry or care about it? No. Does it stop me from posting when I have something to post? No. So unfortunately I can't say I care much about a rating system that's with you like a STD for life, but I am interested in being able to see how many people actually DISLIKED the WS Thread, how many people DISLIKED the choice of 99 vs 100, how many people actually like the idea of expanded and useable inventory space, how many people LIKE and DISLIKE the cheese sandwich idea. There's a hundred threads that could use this, and it might even make our ideas speak out louder than 500 posts and expecting a MOD to read them all.

[Tamoa]

Rate-downs are still available on individual item entries, and they are quite useful for parsing information.

Like how people can rate down other people's screenshots and comments? Just like my profile page comments are all rated down, just because some people either don't like me, or don't like the person that's posted the comment. Not because the comments are bad/negative/rude/nasty/offensive in any way. I'm certain at least half of all rate downs on pics and comments across FFXIAH is based on the person posting. How is that useful in any way?

[Krashport]

Adding a dislike would help, Only if it makes the dislike(er) Post a reason why. Could even make the like(er) post a reason why also.

[Amador]

Adding a dislike would help, Only if it makes the dislike(er) Post a reason why. Could even make the like(er) post a reason why also.

Now that's constructive.

[FrankReynolds]

[QUOTE=Krashport;243467]To many would use and abuse it, Also that would be lazy. Just think we wouldn't be having this conversation now.

Actually reading 700 posts on why something is a bad idea is a waste of time. Noticing that it has 7,000 dislikes, and deciding to read the cliff notes instead is just common sense.

Where is your proof?

Proof of "likely"?

well you see the average percentage of posts that a mod reads is adversely affected by the number of cheese sticks in a string cheese carton, and the gravitational pull of the coffee...

And that's about as much proof as you have that I'm wrong, so I guess its a wash.

I would differ, You wouldn't be talking to me now if it didn't have an effect on you.

I never said that. I said: "Me knowing what you like or dislike has no effect on what gets added to the website and / or game.".

Meaning that seeing as I am not a Dev, or forum mod, Making me see your opinion has 0 relevance.

Like how people can rate down other people's screenshots and comments? Just like my profile page comments are all rated down, just because some people either don't like me, or don't like the person that's posted the comment. Not because the comments are bad/negative/rude/nasty/offensive in any way. I'm certain at least half of all rate downs on pics and comments across FFXIAH is based on the person posting. How is that useful in any way?

It's relevant in that people not liking you probably tells a lot about the value of your opinions. The devs don't need to take advice from people who piss everyone off. They do a great job of pissing everyone off on their own.

[Tamoa]

It's relevant in that people not liking you probably tells a lot about the value of your opinions. The devs don't need to take advice from people who piss everyone off. They do a great job of pissing everyone off on their own.

I'm sorry, am I getting this right? - the fact that some people dislike me because I'm in a linkshell they don't like/friends with someone they don't like/they heard from a friend's friend that I'm a bad person/they're envious/they still hold grudges from the hnm days back at 75 cap, and rate down every damn comment on my profile page, has anything to do with the value of my opinions? Because believe me, there is a LOT of rating down on FFXIAH, on everything possible but especially on profile comments, that is 100% personal and nothing else. That's what happens to me and many other "high-profile" players (as in very often on the most viewed list).

I don't come here, or on any other FFXI forum, and spew a bunch of bs, calling people names and purposely insult them. I have always tried to be civil in forum posts (although I willingly admit I have nearly lost my temper a couple of times on this forum but I still do try to keep it as civil as possible). I hardly "piss everyone off", on any FFXI forum I regularly use.

A lack of likes can tell you just as much about a specific post on this forum, as a bunch of dislikes.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm sorry, am I getting this right? - the fact that some people dislike me because I'm in a linkshell they don't like/friends with someone they don't like/they heard from a friend's friend that I'm a bad person/they're envious/they still hold grudges from the hnm days back at 75 cap, and rate down every damn comment on my profile page, has anything to do with the value of my opinions? Because believe me, there is a LOT of rating down on FFXIAH, on everything possible but especially on profile comments, that is 100% personal and nothing else. That's what happens to me and many other "high-profile" players (as in very often on the most viewed list).

I don't come here, or on any other FFXI forum, and spew a bunch of bs, calling people names and purposely insult them. I have always tried to be civil in forum posts (although I willingly admit I have nearly lost my temper a couple of times on this forum but I still do try to keep it as civil as possible). I hardly "piss everyone off", on any FFXI forum I regularly use.

A lack of likes can tell you just as much about a specific post on this forum, as a bunch of dislikes.

Yes. I know there are cases of people who just plain don't like a person (the like button is just as susceptible to this), but for the most part posts are getting likes on here due to relevance and quality. If a post / thread doesn't have a large number of likes/dislikes, they are not likely going to judge it based on the like/dislike count. If it does have a large number of likes / dislikes, it is highly unlikely that that person just has a million haters. I mean how many people do you really think are following your every post? If you have pissed off that many people, what does that say about what you are posting? Probably that it is generally not what other people want / like, and thus shouldn't be taken into account.

Please don't take this as a personal attack on you. I'm simply trying to point out that while there are going to be people that press like on all their friends posts, and would "dislike" all the people with opposing views, the bulk will use it as intended. This isn't alla where you can just make 1,000 accounts and stalk your enemies.

[Krashport]

I'm starting to think, Frank you have more then 1 Square Enix accounts and have ya LS buddies and their other Square Enix accounts liking your post. "Not saying that is a bad thing" I'm ok with the Like and dislike for only the main OP it might help the Dev's out a bit, But using the dislike, Said person should have to post a reason as to why cause anyone could just check a button it also might shed light onto a problem to said change to something. Also those with more then one Square Enix accounts do benefit more with the like/dislike buttons. Me personally I look at the read more then the Like button myself its just there.

[FrankReynolds]

I'm starting to think, Frank you have more then 1 Square Enix accounts and have ya LS buddies and their other Square Enix accounts liking your post. "Not saying that is a bad thing" I'm ok with the Like and dislike for only the main OP it might help the Dev's out a bit, But using the dislike, Said person should have to post a reason as to why cause anyone could just check a button it also might shed light onto a problem to said change to something. Also those with more then one Square Enix accounts do benefit more with the like/dislike buttons. Me personally I look at the read more then the Like button myself its just there.

I agree with making people post a reason. even if its just a short one. Keep in mind though, that the kind of people logging into multiple accounts and spamming dislike, are not going to be adding anything useful to the conversation anyways. They have no logical argument other than not liking the person, and being able to "dislike" something may save us all from a one line post written just to taunt the person or derail the thread.

That said, I don't think it should show how many people "dislike" something, so their efforts would never be recognized. Which I imagine would be the whole point of trolling someone.... to publicly ridicule them.

I do have multiple accounts BTW, but can't be bothered to log in and out of them. My web browser keeps me logged into this one. I would have to keep that stupid key fob with me every time I wanted to swap accounts.