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  1. #81
    Player FrankReynolds's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fupafighter View Post
    And why would dnc need to do a whm job? Get my point? Dnc specializes in doing DAMAGE, while whm specializes in CURING. STop fuckin stalking every thread im in and arguing with me. I'm not even kidding lol...you seriously stalkin me.

    DNC specializes in doing both. The problem is that one side is weaker than the other at the moment. Stop trolling and get over your self. If you stopped popping into threads that I've posted in, and saying stupid stuff like "DNC is DD only Rawr!" and "Ninja & Thief SUX!" I wouldn't bother with you.
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  2. #82
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    Understanding a job and how you play it differs greatly. And while yes the supportive type is currently not the side you have to play THATs a Community thing... (as in you dont need heavy Support with 18 Ppl on a Joke Nm in Voidwatch or in lolabysea) if you Play like in a PT with 6 Ppl your supprot is welcome mostly more than DD. (Not has to be true in every setup. If its not needed sure DD) BUT i'm being realistic. That DNC is a DD stuff is not only a flawed Idea ~ its silly to be honest.
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    Last edited by Eri; 03-15-2012 at 03:19 AM.
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    lv119 DNC ~ 119 SAM ~ 119 More that i dont use.
    Gute Mädchen kommen in den Himmel ! Böse Mädchen kommen überall hin !!

  3. 03-15-2012 11:25 AM

  4. #83
    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eri View Post
    You don't seem to understand the Job obviously. Play Mnk, Sam, War, Drg instead.

    Dancers who try to focusing on DDing are quite competent in that BUT Dancers who try mainhealing are Too.

    Reduceing a Hydrid class to one Side of it abilitys is just sorry buisness.

    Theres enought players that Leveld this Job to be a Supporter NOT yet another DD.
    Ohhhh heres the kicker moron lol, I have 90 verethregna and masamune just for that. But you have to realize dancer is much more capable of doing damage compared to healing. That's the way it was designed. I know in all events except for VW, my dancer pushes almost the same killspeed as my samurai and my monk. The job is what it is, asking for it to be a whm too is ridiculous.
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  5. #84
    Player Fupafighter's Avatar
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    I can understand peoples wants to have the waltz timer split and a 50% cap, but it's really not needed. Doing that would make dnc invincible in all aspect except for endgame. The only reason dnc struggles against any content is because they have the timers on waltz. 1k+ waltz with mediocre gear is fine with almost all of us dnc. And situations where your in like a 6 man pty, do you really want the dev team to change the timers and make the job completely unbalanced just so you can act like a whm and hit stuff? I would personally quit the job if they make it that strong.
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  6. #85
    Player FrankReynolds's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fupafighter View Post
    I can understand peoples wants to have the waltz timer split and a 50% cap, but it's really not needed. Doing that would make dnc invincible in all aspect except for endgame. The only reason dnc struggles against any content is because they have the timers on waltz. 1k+ waltz with mediocre gear is fine with almost all of us dnc.
    Umm.. I highly doubt that anyone on any job is okay with mediocre gear besides you. There are better DD jobs out there. The only people who are going to pick a "DD onry" dancer over a sam or monk are your friends (and trust me, they want you to job change).

    Are you seriously saying you have vare and masa in one post, and then claiming that you would quit a job if it became too powerful in the next?
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  7. #86
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    Galkas galk'in. All I see.

    Dancer wouldn't be a useful job in a supporting role even if they fixed Waltzes because the situations where it used to be useful are pretty much gone. Where would we heal?
    Abyssea - It is either already possible or there is little SE could do to promote it.
    Voidwatch - It is pretty much impossible due to AoEs.
    Walk of Echoes - See Voidwatch.
    Legion - See Voidwatch.
    Neo-NI - Not really playing a supporting role here if you are either off solo or have a real healer.
    Old content - Isn't really done with more than 3 people.

    The only situation I can think of that would promote a supporting-DNC role is meleeburning DC Dynamis monsters for R/Ex pop items.
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  8. #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fupafighter View Post
    Ohhhh heres the kicker moron lol, I have 90 verethregna and masamune just for that. But you have to realize dancer is much more capable of doing damage compared to healing. That's the way it was designed. I know in all events except for VW, my dancer pushes almost the same killspeed as my samurai and my monk. The job is what it is, asking for it to be a whm too is ridiculous.
    Did i get personal in any way? I guess no but i'll get to that,

    Your admit that your Sam and Mnk are Abysburned and have sucky gear/skills right now eh?
    Bet they are.

    No one even asked Dnc to outdo a Whm in its role nor do i want split timers since its overpowering.
    But Cure Potency cap is a diffrent story. Its awsome on spot healing.
    And it doesnt even concern PPL that cant even reach 30%......

    And i never said that i wanna mainheal again. So let me clarify..... if im Healing around 5 ppl in an event thats ok considdering they have better Dmg than me. (if not i'll DD)
    Debuffing and Buffing are Support too. That said you can DD but your have to priorize cures over DD and be ready to do it. As in no means to get tp instanly = Bad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    Galkas galk'in. All I see.

    Dancer wouldn't be a useful job in a supporting role even if they fixed Waltzes because the situations where it used to be useful are pretty much gone. Where would we heal?
    Abyssea - It is either already possible or there is little SE could do to promote it.
    Voidwatch - It is pretty much impossible due to AoEs.
    Walk of Echoes - See Voidwatch.
    Legion - See Voidwatch.
    Neo-NI - Not really playing a supporting role here if you are either off solo or have a real healer.
    Old content - Isn't really done with more than 3 people.

    The only situation I can think of that would promote a supporting-DNC role is meleeburning DC Dynamis monsters for R/Ex pop items.
    As said its NOT about mainhealing. Spot healers are Spot healers and you can heal in any of the events that you mentioned. Given not mainheal.
    But without cure Potency gear you arnt at your full potential of playing.
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    Last edited by Eri; 03-16-2012 at 01:31 AM.
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    lv119 DNC ~ 119 SAM ~ 119 More that i dont use.
    Gute Mädchen kommen in den Himmel ! Böse Mädchen kommen überall hin !!

  9. 03-16-2012 01:29 AM

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    Player Byrth's Avatar
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    No, actually in most of the events I named you're better off either coming a different job and bringing a real healer or using Saber Dance and bringing a real healer. Situations where you're not main healing but "Spot Healing" is short-hand for "My alliance/party is very very poorly planned." Most of the events up there wouldn't even tolerate such poorly planned alliances.
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    Player Eri's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Byrth View Post
    No, actually in most of the events I named you're better off either coming a different job and bringing a real healer or using Saber Dance and bringing a real healer. Situations where you're not main healing but "Spot Healing" is short-hand for "My alliance/party What is that?is very very poorly planned." Most of the events up there wouldn't even tolerate such poorly planned alliances.
    Is Like that every shout Alli is a poor excuse for something real... given if you go with you friends you DD mostly. But shout groups are the base exaple for poorly planned ...
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    Odin Server

    lv119 DNC ~ 119 SAM ~ 119 More that i dont use.
    Gute Mädchen kommen in den Himmel ! Böse Mädchen kommen überall hin !!

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    Player Byrth's Avatar
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    If you go with such a poorly planned Voidwatch alliance that it relies on a Dancer's cures to win, you should really just kick everyone and try again. It would actually be less painful than continuing with such a fail group. Repeat for the other events.
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