Extend Waltz Potency Cap ?

[Byrth]

No, actually in most of the events I named you're better off either coming a different job and bringing a real healer or using Saber Dance and bringing a real healer. Situations where you're not main healing but "Spot Healing" is short-hand for "My alliance/party is very very poorly planned." Most of the events up there wouldn't even tolerate such poorly planned alliances.

[Eri]

No, actually in most of the events I named you're better off either coming a different job and bringing a real healer or using Saber Dance and bringing a real healer. Situations where you're not main healing but "Spot Healing" is short-hand for "My alliance/party What is that?is very very poorly planned." Most of the events up there wouldn't even tolerate such poorly planned alliances.

Is Like that every shout Alli is a poor excuse for something real... given if you go with you friends you DD mostly. But shout groups are the base exaple for poorly planned ...

[Byrth]

If you go with such a poorly planned Voidwatch alliance that it relies on a Dancer's cures to win, you should really just kick everyone and try again. It would actually be less painful than continuing with such a fail group. Repeat for the other events.

[Fupafighter]

Oh and trying to dis me doesn't work lol. I typically parse first to second every run with ukon warriors on my sam haha. Just saying, dancer isn't needed as a support healer. It's far better off as a DD/cure if needed.

[Eri]

Oh and trying to dis me doesn't work lol. I typically parse first to second every run with ukon warriors on my sam haha. Just saying, dancer isn't needed as a support healer. It's far better off as a DD/cure if needed.

I forgot i don't even need to Dis you. Your a Galka. Period.

Its like you didnt even Read. That what i said. And If you don't place you Dmg Output over cures thats Supportive playstyle. (Considdering you do your Debuffs/Haste Samba)

Been on the DD side. Dmg output is huge if you gear for it yes. And you need around 2 WHM because the almighty defenses arnt all that good. But then again your not capping attack easyly on everything worthwhile. And theres the Issue that your not the only person in the Group. Others need the Mages too. There will be a Sam or a Mnk (Useually) doing more Dmg, but dieing faster.

So its more like, either you die fast or you need around 2 mages to yourself.... teamplay?

And i have Rudras makes it even worse capping hate so fast.

So i hold Dmg a bit since i don't wanna tank, or in some cases even cure more then dmg since spellcures are to slow in some cases.

[Asymptotic]

Sounds like the real reason you think that support DNC has a place in modern FFXI is that you play with really horrible mages.

Two good white mages (sometimes, one) can keep an entire Voidwatch alliance alive barring NMs that cast death or one-shot people with no support from even a BRD, RDM, or COR (let's face it, the WHM is just going to get DD rolls even if there is a COR in their party...which in most cases there will be).

Not being in Voidwatch implies that you're either 1.) in Abyssea, 2.) fighting enemies that are a maximum of Decent Challenge, or 3.) doing Grounds of Valor on high level enemies.

In case 1.) You cap evasion on everything in a DD set, and you can solo almost everything without shadows. Let's face it, if you're bringing DNC to Abyssea, you're either in a large group that has everything covered and you're just tagging along, you're soloing, or you're stupid. There's rarely a reason to drop saber dance, either.

In case 2.) You will very nearly cap evasion with signet and your DD set. You're probably one of the more survivable jobs just because nothing can hit you, and you have Fan Dance if shit hits the ... uh ... fan. For the most part, a Waltz V every 3 minutes (Saber Dance recast) is enough to keep you going provided that you bring remedies or remedy ointments along and are fighting enemies that don't cast magic.

In case 3.) You must be pretty bored.

You claim to understand the job well, and yet your posts point to exactly the opposite. We all want support DNC to be viable. It just isn't. Claiming your spot cures, sambas, and watered down damage are a strong enough asset to a party or alliance to merit you not being there on another job is just ... well ... either you're completely delusional, or you're playing with some really terrible groups.

It's basically the same as a RDM claiming that they are worth bringing because they can melee.

[Eri]

Whats with WoE? :>
and if im pretty bored I go solo VT-IT+ just for the Challenge. (You and find these in Boyada if your bored enought)

A Dnc helping to cure and a Rdm trying to DD is like not compareable lol.

Dnc can do ok. Rdm can't do ok except maybe in Atma Zones.

[Fupafighter]

Whats with WoE? :>
and if im pretty bored I go solo VT-IT+ just for the Challenge. (You and find these in Boyada if your bored enought)

A Dnc helping to cure and a Rdm trying to DD is like not compareable lol.

Dnc can do ok. Rdm can't do ok except maybe in Atma Zones.

Dnc is the only job that can drop excellent damage and take none in return. And if your DD's are dying so much that you need to cure spam them, 1. tell your samurai to tank with seigan if he has hate, 2. SAME FOR THE WARRIOR, 3. Mnks can tank just fiine if they have proper evasion set...they have B+ in it. If your doing a NM in abyssea like orthrus and relying on a dnc to cure, your just fail. If your in VW and your DD are taking that much damage, your DD fail. Fanatics, potions....Only reason whm are really needed is for the stona, cursna, and curaga. You can wish they will make dnc almighty, but if your not utilizing it as a heavy DD, then your doing it wrong. Yes, samurai and warrior do more damage, but can they survive the way a dancer can in anyway? no...that's what makes them balanced. They have THEIR uses.

[Asymptotic]

It's not really a challenge. VT-IT+ hit you less than half the time, or you're gearing poorly.

WoE is barely an event and you might as well not go if you're not a Summoner, unless you want to spend most of the time weakened.

And it is comparable. Just like you should have brought a real melee instead of a RDM, if you needed heals, you should have brought a mage. There's just no need for DNC to help heal.

Yes, you can do it (albeit, mediocrely) just like a RDM can melee (mediocrely). Just because you want to do something doesn't make it useful.

Additionally, mages just don't need help. Any situation where they're struggling to keep up, you'd be better off tossing a BRD,COR, or additional mage, instead of a DNC.

[Eri]

WoE is barely an event and you might as well not go if you're not a Summoner, unless you want to spend most of the time weakened.

Thats so wrong. The Event had so so many updates and gets more. Only because its 'to hard' for many NA Players its not bad. Also most of the time now (except #17)
Smns are Horrible Tp feed. Its absolutely doable the standart setup and its a lot of fun. (Yes i am Smn and say that STILL.)

Yes, you can do it (albeit, mediocrely) just like a RDM can melee (mediocrely). Just because you want to do something doesn't make it useful.

Well i had a LOT Voidwatch runs where the Tank was in the Red and only survived because of Dnc cures. I nerver had any Event where a meele rdm saved the day.

Additionally, mages just don't need help. Any situation where they're struggling to keep up, you'd be better off tossing a BRD,COR, or additional mage, instead of a DNC.

Silencega. Say Echodrops..... i will tell you that the 50% of the mages dont have any.

Or are so slow that the Tanks die.

If are going for perfect situations Yes DNC will not have to heal a lot. BUT perfect situations are Rare. Be realistic.