Campaign/Walk of Echoes.

[Krashport]

I been thinking and seeing how Campaign has turned out and seeing how Walk of Echoes is turning out, Why not change it up a bit.

Part 1
Campaign, Its has become just a dull experience, more areas are owned by the beastmen cause no one does them hardly anymore. The reason why, I think its just not popular anymore.

1.) Fortifications. "Whacking a wall" Need I say more.

2.) Auto-Reraise. There isn't any, The NPC could give you Reraise once you sign up.

3.) Treasure Pool. Logloglogs.

4.) Can't skill up. Skill up just at a lower rate, Add some nice Blue magic or weapon skills that you can only learn/get in Campaign, That can be used anywhere in the game.

5.) Campaign battles aren't long enough. Maybe make a zone where there is a field battle going on all the time.

6.) Treasure Pool System. Most people are waiting for that "AFKer" to come back, to lot/pass on those Logloglogs. Fix the bug where we have to rezone in and out of that said area to let the Treasure Pool go back to normal.

7.) Campaign short lived event. Campaign battles Magian Moogle Trials or add items needed to Allied Notes that we had to buy for said Trials.

8.) Allied Notes. There is not much to use them for.

RED: I would really like this, not only in Campaign in any field battle would be cool.

This is just some ideas I had burning in my brain, Some may like them most will not, If you have any ideas please share them!

Edit: was asked, Splitting up the campaign and the Walk of echoes ideas.

[Urthdigger]

Here's what I think should be done for offensive battles: Remove fortifications, and just make the fort continually spawn enemies as they are defeated. Fortifications seems to indicate more than just the strength of the structure, it seems to indicate the standing garrison there: Namely, some of the fortification raising campaign ops such as Vanguard X involve sending reinforcements, and every time a unit defending a structure is taken down, the fortifications go down by one.

This simple change would singlehandedly change offensive battles from boring piles of crap, to perhaps more sought after than defensive battles (You wouldn't need to wait for reinforcements to run in, they just spawn at the fort)

[Krashport]

You have to complete the entire wotg story and can only choose 1 earring with either regain or refresh, and it's a latent, so I say no to these earrings, totally over powered but your onto something. Also, these earrings could possibly ruin the balance for the DM earrings, not to mention it already destroys the WOTG earrings. Also, please no more auto-rr.

Yeah I agree they are over powered.. just alittle. But think for a moment on RR, Abyssea Auto-Reraise, Walk of Echoes Auto-Reraise, "Twilight Set" for Lv.90 WAR / PLD / DRK / BST / SAM / DRG Auto-Reraise, As for balance goes whatever happened to those other jobs guess their SoL, They gotta buy or talk to a NPC for a paper, Most Campaign zones are owned by the beastmen there for you can't buy Reraise paper on the fly w/ Note, unless you keep running back to a main city.

Here's what I think should be done for offensive battles: Remove fortifications, and just make the fort continually spawn enemies as they are defeated.

This is a great idea Ramparts kicking out Mobs and not wacking a fortifications.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Yeah I agree they are over powered.. just alittle. But think for a moment on RR, Abyssea Auto-Reraise, Walk of Echoes Auto-Reraise, "Twilight Set" for Lv.90 WAR / PLD / DRK / BST / SAM / DRG Auto-Reraise, As for balance goes whatever happened to those other jobs guess their SoL, They gotta buy or talk to a NPC for a paper, Most Campaign zones are owned by the beastmen there for you can't buy Reraise paper on the fly w/ Note, unless you keep running back to a main city.


This is a great idea Ramparts kicking out Mobs and not wacking a fortifications.

Look at how badly abyssea destroyed the game's balance, even fixing old content won't be enough to undo all the damage done to this game. I like abyssea, but as you see now people want everything quick and easy, on here are threads saying, we don't want the jp midnight wait on some af quests, we don't want the 8hr+ repop on magian trail nm for empyreans, etc., some of the stuff does has to change, but everything seems to be shifting to a have to have it now attitude can't wait till tomorrow attitude. What happened to strategy? I'm not asking for Kings that take 3-5 days to pop, with low drop rates and people botting and your life revolves around the stupid thing, but I feel if new endgame is going to be challenging then alot of stuff has to shift to a strategy based mentality and people are going to have to start focusing when playing the game again, instead of watching tv while playing the game.

As for twilight mail set, your right it's totally broken. Big screw up there, and because of that your somewhat justified in wanting a twilight earring for the other jobs.

PS- some nm like the pot nm for dagger empyrean ARE over the top, I' not disagreeing with the op of that thread I'm just saying the player mentality has changed, so when SE introduces new content it needs to be acceptable to todays gameplay - no more logs, lol.

[Krashport]

Look at how badly abyssea destroyed the game's balance, even fixing old content won't be enough to undo all the damage done to this game. I like abyssea, but as you see now people want everything quick and easy, on here are threads saying, we don't want the jp midnight wait on some af quests, we don't want the 8hr+ repop on magian trail nm for empyreans, etc., some of the stuff does has to change, but everything seems to be shifting to a have to have it now attitude can't wait till tomorrow attitude. What happened to strategy? I'm not asking for Kings that take 3-5 days to pop, with low drop rates and people botting and your life revolves around the stupid thing, but I feel if new endgame is going to be challenging then alot of stuff has to shift to a strategy based mentality and people are going to have to start focusing when playing the game again, instead of watching tv while playing the game.

ME> Real Life> Game, That being said ok yeah there is a lot "Not all but you know who you are" People on these Forums "Cryin" "Beggin" using that word "NEED" and what not. This was just an idea which I thought I would just share.

As for twilight mail set, your right it's totally broken. Big screw up there, and because of that your somewhat justified in wanting a twilight earring for the other jobs.

Naw I already have the "Twilight set" Which works great for my WAR/PLD/DRG/DRK/BST/SAM, Just wanted to bring up and I was wondering why there isn't an Auto-Rereaise "Set" for other jobs like MNK,THF,COR,DNC etc.. There's even a Book out on the field giving out Reraise why would it really hurt the game if these jobs get their own "Set" or not. Let me guess your selling those RR pins on the AH for 50k a pop?

[Concerned4FFxi]

As for balance goes whatever happened to those other jobs guess their SoL, They gotta buy or talk to a NPC for a paper, Most Campaign zones are owned by the beastmen there for you can't buy Reraise paper on the fly w/ Note, unless you keep running back to a main city.


This is a great idea Ramparts kicking out Mobs and not wacking a fortifications.

1. I like the picture of the rampart, and I hate waiting that long for the darn campaign to start, especially when the npc's are there 30 minutes before, speeding up the confrontation and the rampart idera I like.

2. About the rr scrolls, when you warp into a zone controlled by beastmen, the allied nation npc is at the warp area or around there, not the op, so allow any campaign npc to sell rr would fix this problem, reguardless of zone control. I always thought that was silly that the allied nations needed control to sell you temps.

[Krashport]

2. About the rr scrolls, when you warp into a zone controlled by beastmen, the allied nation npc is at the warp area or around there, not the op, so allow any campaign npc to sell rr would fix this problem, reguardless of zone control. I always thought that was silly that the allied nations needed control to sell you temps.

Yeah same here, also I think that would be very tough to fix cause it might be base on the supply quests as well with who is in control of the area. =(

[Meyi]

2. About the rr scrolls, when you warp into a zone controlled by beastmen, the allied nation npc is at the warp area or around there, not the op, so allow any campaign npc to sell rr would fix this problem, reguardless of zone control. I always thought that was silly that the allied nations needed control to sell you temps.

Except the RR scrolls they hand out subtract one from our Resources. We can't give out resources that we don't own.

I'd personally rather see said resources be used for other things in Campaign, and for us players to have our own way to reraise.

[Krashport]

Part 2
Ok Walk of Echoes, Make it fun like Besieged and Abyssea, Could add temp items also maybe up the treasure pool, Could take away the waiting a game day... um let us "Memeber's" get into zone 1st waiting out the start button for that WOE run then have the mobs come @ us like in Besieged. Could add something along the lines WOE-PVP/PVE where its like capture the flag. all and all as it is now WOE is slowly dieing.

This is just some ideas I had burning in my brain, Some may like them most will not, If you have any ideas please share them!

[Luvbunny]

Campaign is indeed in need for more tweaks - not having able to skill ups is one of the most "baffling" idea they have in years. Bad drop rate and quality is also hurt the popularity, they should add more gears that you can obtain via campaign (accessories with really good stats will rejuvenate campaign). All the ideas mention here is good.

Walk of Echoes just have somewhat bad drop rate, hence it is not very popular, otherwise it is a very fun, short time activities to do like campaign. Just need some sort of point systems to trade for better gears or items. And able to skill ups.

Also worth mentioning is Moblin Maze - they should tweak this so that at higher level, you can create your own maze where mobs that you need for Magian Trials will spawn here (not abyssea mob or vnm), similar how they do often in Nyzul. This will instantly boost popularity of the maze.

These are quick fixes that SE can do:
- Add point systems to Walk of Echoes (shared by Campaign), and Voidwatch. Similar how they have this on Nyzul, Assaults, and Moblin Maze.
- Add more gears to the list of items you can have, create alternate version of the gears you can get from Aby and Voidwatch, not better but alternative. People like to collect gears, this will make them do more stuffs.