Dynamis Proc Rates

[Byrth]

Time 0: Presto
Time 1: Step
Time 2: Violent Flourish
Time 3: Wild Flourish
Time 16: Step
Time 22: Violent Flourish

So that's 5 proc JAs in 22 seconds. It costs you 20 TP and generates 10 (Violent Flourish). So you need to have one attack round between Wild Flourish and the second Step.

[Ihnako]

You can unsubscribe Presto from the JS list cause it's not made on the mob and you won't get a mob staggered by doing it.
That leave
01 Steps (15 seconds)
02 VF (20 seconds)
03 WF (30 seconds)
16 Steps
22 VF
31 Steps
33 WF
42 VF
46 Steps
Time is up
61 Steps
62 VF
63 WF
a.s.o.

4x Steps, 3x VF, 2x WF = 9 JAs not 10, 11 or 12

Let's check WHM - Dia (cast 1 second, recast 5 seconds)
01 Dia
07 Dia
13 Dia
19 Dia
25 Dia
31 Dia
37 Dia
43 Dia
49 Dia
55 Dia
Time is up
10 x Dia
Let's sub RDM, BLM, DRK - Poison (cast 1 second, recast 5 seconds) and you can easily double your chances.
Put stone I into your calculation and I bet you'll get ~25 chances within 1 Minute. (And your MP pool is drained rapidely)

[Byrth]

Okay, so we agree that on average you'll proc monsters in 22 seconds with JAs and about two minutes with magic?

[Lokithor]

I've only done solo dynamis farming for -1 items but the coins are a nice benefit. Seems to me that if all you want is coins and you're solo, dnc/nin would be the best. With /nin you can spam the elemental wheel every 30 seconds. Too bad I'm looking mainly for the -1 item so prefer to be on thf/nin, which can't really do anything for JA procs.

An unrelated question. I'm farming Dyna-Bubu for thf hands -1. I have no trouble getting 4/5 TE mobs but really don't know what NM gives the 5th. The wiki sites say that it is a random NM but I don't know how to identify / find it. Any advice? The difference between 4/5 and 5/5 is very dramatic in my experience.

[Nynja]

Lets presume you open every fight with 3 FM on average.

You can unsubscribe Presto from the JS list cause it's not made on the mob and you won't get a mob staggered by doing it.
That leave
01 Steps (15 seconds) 4FM
02 VF (20 seconds) 3 FM
03 WF (30 seconds) 1FM
16 Steps 2FM
22 VF 1 FM
31 Steps 2 FM
33 WF 0 FM
42 VF (HOW ??!!??!?!?!?!?!?!?)
46 Steps

thats why we use presto...

[Ihnako]

Okay, so we agree that on average you'll proc monsters in 22 seconds with JAs and about two minutes with magic?

No cause doing 9 JA's within a minute and casting 25 spells per minute can and will lead to the same result.
The mob is staggered or not. The likelyhood was perviously expressed by a chance of 20% or 5% per attemp.
You can stagger a mob with the first JA but you could also stagger a mob with the 1,000th JA.
It just seems to be better with JAs cause they don't need MP and you can keep the mob sleeping.

[Ihnako]

Lets presume you open every fight with 3 FM on average.
thats why we use presto...

01 Steps (15 seconds) 5 FM
02 VF (20 seconds) 4 FM
03 WF (30 seconds) 2FM
16 Steps 4 FM
22 VF 3 FM
31 Steps 5 FM
33 WF 3 FM
42 VF 2 FM
46 Steps 4 FM
...

Ups... Level DNC ;p since DNC has Presto at Lv77 and not /DNC
In case I have 3 FM at start Presto would be a waste to use since maximum FM is 5 and not 6.

[Nynja]

No cause doing 9 JA's within a minute and casting 25 spells per minute can and will lead to the same result.

Yeah...I've chaincasted dia/stone on a hippogryph for 2 minutes without a proc...and first JA when time changed proced it.

[saevel]

Well, do the math like this:
Violent Flourish - 20 second recast
Step - 15 second recast
Wild Flourish - 30 second recast

So in 30 seconds, you use four JAs. In 40 seconds, you use 5 JAs and (on average) proc the monster according to the numbers you just gave.

Dia's recast is about 6 seconds, but lets assume you aren't recast limited. It takes about ~4 seconds to cast it and recover from the post-casting lock-out, which means it would take ~80 seconds per Dia proc. If you were recast limited, that's how I was getting 120 seconds.

If you have enough Haste, you can WS once every 30 seconds. I would personally put the WS proc rate a little higher than JAs (I thought 25%), but I can't be entirely sure. Point is, that's still not proccing as fast as JAs.



As far as multiple players? Sure, but you can bring multiples of anything and it doesn't change the above math.

WTF are you smoking. Dia's cast time is 1s recast is 5s, not counting FC / haste. Poison is also 1s cast 5s recast, you basically alternate those two and possibly throw in a blind. There is no "post cast lock out" just your stuck in an animation if your heavily loaded with FC / haste. What you need to do is change gear and make your character blink, it'll immediately remove the animation lock. At the most you have a 60 unit delay stuck in there because it'll accept another action command. I've stood there and spammed Dia -> Poison and proced magic monsters as RDM/DNC. We went there cause a hoard of BST/DNC's had taken over the JA proc camps, actually got better drops from doing magic because we didn't have to fight over pops.

[Ihnako]

Yeah...I've chaincasted dia/stone on a hippogryph for 2 minutes without a proc...and first JA when time changed proced it.

And we've (3 DNC /DNC) Chain-JAed a mob for 3 minutes without a proc. What does it say? A chance is a chane and only in eternity we'll know if it's 20% or 19,58221% or U = I / U.