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  1. #41
    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by eddy2910 View Post
    Hello i am posting this because of people who keep posting to make new char if i want different stats and wanting them to know that if only its that easy ive been playing for almost 8 years and ive chosen to be a tarutaru since then and wanted to be main whm and ive learned that whm is EXTREMELY boring and cant stand the job so i leveled other jobs mainly PLD and started to work on a Aegis and just finished it couple days ago now your telling me because i want to be hume with little more HP and more Def to be main pld am have to start new char start to work on new shield to enjoy the job am on i just hope this thread will be read by someone who can put race change and you dont need to make it every 3 months week or day a 1 time thing will work for the best for mistake in race while u first started the game.

    Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.

    You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.

    You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.
    You like being big and fury. He likes having the best stats possible. Both are legitimate reasons to pick a race, and both should be changeable.
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  3. #43
    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by FrankReynolds View Post
    You like being big and fury. He likes having the best stats possible. Both are legitimate reasons to pick a race, and both should be changeable.
    You can have the best stats possible on any race. I just got done explaining that the difference between the races in performance is very small.

    Races should not be changeable, ever. You should put more thought into your choice and know better than to pick based on a class you haven't even played yet and dont know what its like. (And anybody could have told you before starting playing that WHM was boring lol)

    The only exception I would ever stand for is if a new race was added- but that's not ever going to happen, nor is convincing SE of the need for this, since they've already shot it down on technical grounds.

    You like being big and fury.
    Actually, I wanted to be a paladin when I started. But then on my first party in the dunes, I saw a sumomner running around with an avatar out and I was like "shit, I want that!" I didn't even consider changing races- I just went ahead and played the job anyway and fought the resulting uphill battle from playerbase misconceptions.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 01-31-2012 at 09:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    Racial stat differences other than HP are virtually insignificant. You can be a main WAR on a tarutaru if you want, and your damage isn't going to be much different. I'm a Galka and one of my main jobs has been SMN for 8 years, and I always did and still have more MP than I know what to do with, even though Galka has the lowest MP of all the races.

    You shouldn't have picked your race for the stats, you should have picked it because that's the race you wanted. I know plenty of good Taru PLDs too, you do not need to race change or start over.
    This is very true. Stats aren't the most significant between races. My Elvaan Black Mage was relatively okay compared to my Tarutaru Black Mage (at 75). There were lots of Tarus I would beat at damage. And my Elvaan Summoner never had a problem with running out of MP (if I was soloing).

    That said, not everyone wants a race change for stat change. I didn't. Inches didn't. We wanted different character models (that everyone else could see too) for reasons that weren't related to game mechanics. I couldn't stand playing a female Elvaan and being called a chick all the time because of it. Unfortunately I still get that on my taru but now I can tell them to shut up because I have a boy taru, making it their fault for not seeing that. And Inches wanted to see his character grow up.

    Whatever the reason, people should be allowed to get race changes. If stats are so insignificant, then there's no reason why people shouldn't be allowed to swap if they so choose. I especially support it for the fun factor. (Starting over is definitely not fun, but doable if a person is desperate enough.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    (And anybody could have told you before starting playing that WHM was boring lol)
    I take offense to this.

    Playing a White Mage isn't boring if you take your role as a Cleric rather then a second class buff bot. Part of being a Cleric means that you have to have a hammer ready for some blunt force trauma justice if you don't like the way things turn out, or even bust out the Holy laser on occasion to turn the tide (I've won big fights when things have gone very bad by a well placed Holy). Part of being a Cleric is having people who understand that everyone is playing to have fun and that putting people you play with in a position where they have no fun and everyone else does is a good way to lose them or end up with them changing to play an easier class.

    Granted, the job isn't for everyone, but part of the issue is a playerbase that tends to take a dump on anything they view as support.
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    oh, playing it like a D&D cleric is fun. Playing WHM the way people want you to is boring.

    Anyway... It's my humble opinion that things like your name and race are and should be weighty decisions that you need to think about before going with. Making changes acccessible will cause people to be more cavalier about their selections and in the case of names, will result in an increase in silly names like Peenerweener and such, knowing that they can change it later..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    oh, playing it like a D&D cleric is fun. Playing WHM the way people want you to is boring.

    Anyway... It's my humble opinion that things like your name and race are and should be weighty decisions that you need to think about before going with. Making changes acccessible will cause people to be more cavalier about their selections and in the case of names, will result in an increase in silly names like Peenerweener and such, knowing that they can change it later..
    It's a video game. The first thing you do when you pop in the disc shouldn't be to make "a weighty decision" that will affect your enjoyment for years to come. People at work won't forget your name if you change from manthra to hume. The only reason that selecting race requires any thought beyond what tickles our fancy at the moment is because they won't let you change it. Artificial importance. I'm sorry, but getting a new character up to snuff takes months even at today's exp rates. Changing your character from midget to fury cat guy shouldn't take that long, and people are already naming characters all sorts of stupid and offensive things (not that this thread is really about name changing).
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    also WoW has race change why not this game
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    I'd like to here some more input into this suggestion.

    I don't see why this is would be such a problem if it was implemented. There are players in the game who have played for years and years, achieved so much who don't want to start again. As the game has progressed, jobs have became avaliable and have changed dramatically over time, which has caught players eyes.

    The ability to allow a player to change there race one every X months or just once (like the 1 time recovery system we have), would mean players can enjoy the game more.
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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    It's a video game. The first thing you do when you pop in the disc shouldn't be to make "a weighty decision" that will affect your enjoyment for years to come.
    Except, that's exactly what you're doing. If you don't like it, then don't play the game.

    As far as I know, no other FF game lets you change your name after the fact (Final Fantasy Legend doesn't count). Why should this one be any different?

    And this isn't WoW, so stop using WoW as a justification. Apples and Oranges.

    There is no good reason to change your name that either couldn't have been prevented by simply making a smart choice form the start, or doesn't involve getting out of a bad reputation.

    The only reason that selecting race requires any thought beyond what tickles our fancy at the moment is because they won't let you change it.
    This is a good thing. It should not be "what tickles your fancy in the moment," it should be what you REALLY want it to be, and it should be chosen with the full understanding that you can't change it later.

    Making people think about their names reduces the number of immature, stupid names and prevents people from abusing a name change to escape a bad rap.
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    Last edited by Alhanelem; 03-11-2012 at 12:11 PM.

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