
Originally Posted by
DrStrangelove
Changes to some (not all relics), just the ones I've seen or used
Six of the biggest problems with relic WS are:
1) fTP does not scale
2) some of the WS mods are weak (e.g., INT)
3) some of the AM are weak (e.g., shock spikes or choke)
4) some of the AM hit caps (e.g., haste, subtle blow)
5) some of the underlying weapons are themselves weak (e.g., gungnir)
6) some make no sense (hello, claustrum)
Apoc-If the haste is not allowed to exceed the normal haste cap, then this should be changed to a different strong DD effect (e.g., ODD, occas. attack 2-3 times, attack boost). Fix mods (INT/AGI) and change INT to at least STR or DEX.
Annihilator-Coronach should either scale in damage after 100tp (from 3.00), or have the modifier bumped to 4.00. It's not bad as is, but mobs have much higher HP now, so a modest change is warranted. Lower enmity for aftermath is fine as is. In addition, change mods from AGI/DEX to STR/AGI like Yoichi. Coronach should have no distance penalty.
Yoichi-Namas same as above. Higher ranged accuracy for aftermath is fine as is. Scale WS mods or bump base to a static 4.00. Namas should have no distance penalty.
Gungnir-remarkably underpowered and beaten by a WOE weapon. Sad. The WS needs to be drastically upped to offset this debacle. Changing mod from 60% AGI is one step. AM (shock spikes?). May be make AM: e.g., wyvern does double/triple breath damage or just give DRG added DD AM. Raise base fTP from 3.00 to 4.00 or scale.
Ragnarok-difficult issue since it's somewhat a stepchild for WAR, DRK and PLD. The addition of an Impetus type affect along with it's current effect probably won't help much. A chance to crit WS would probably be the best solution. Scale TP or increase base to 4.00.
Excalibur-needs dramatic changes to be viable
Bravura-Metatron should get the same TP scaling or a bump to 4.00. No other changes needed and AM is fine.
Amano-see Bravura. Scale or 4.00.
Guttler-AM is choke. Very very poor. If we really need to go that way, make it silence, blind, slow and paralyze with separate modest proc rates on VT mobs. Or change to better ODD AM, or add a strong pet DD as mentioned for Gungnir. Add 15% attack bonus to Onslaught, make it critical and let it scale. Much better.
Kikoku-Change Metsu to 4.00 or scale it, plus add a bonus to attack (+15%). AM should be EITHER subtle blow effect that is above the cap OR magical and physical evasion(+25%).
Spharai-Change Final Heaven to 4.00 and or scale it, plus add a bonus to attack (+15%). AM should be EITHER subtle blow effect that is above the cap OR increased DA rate (+10%).
Claustrum-(/sigh). Fix the underlying weapon. Fixing the WS is like putting whipped cream on a patty.
I don't think these make relic WS better than empy WS in Abyssea (which bothers me), but it makes relic WS viable outside on strong mobs.